@dauber

Huh? Also without having your Audigy in there?? If so, delete mixer.prefs from envarc: and reboot without going into Mixer. I'd better just improve the Mixer, but well, so many things to do and so little time.

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@DaveAE

Well, I haven't actually removed the Audigy yet...but Mixer.prefs keeps reappearing.

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@lylehaze
I am so glad to hear that their are other MIDI people who
have A1s. For me, a computer that won't do MIDI isn't
much more than an online text editor.

@DaveAE

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DaveAE wrote: @dauber All SB Live models have a gameport that functions as MIDI port AFAIK.

OK...what's this SB Live all you folks are talking about?? Seriously, I've been researching the basic SB Live. Here's what the specs are on it, straight from Creative's page, including a picture of the thing:

- Line level out (Front / Side / Rear / Centre / Subwoofer) or Headphone out
- Line In / Microphone In / *Digital I/O
- Aux Audio in

Nothing about MIDI. There's no game/joystick connector. Not even listed under "Package Contents" -- it doesn't appear even to have a separate connector. Nothin' else. That's it.

Could someone maybe post a link to any SB Lives that DO have the connector???

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@Mechanic

I still consider "Bars&Pipes" to be the "Killer App" for Amiga.

CAMD MIDI drivers are coming. Though slowly, I'll get them working.
I'm still adjusting to the new OS and dev environment. All the changes I've
seen are great, but I'm old and slow. It takes me time to adjust to the
new system.

The vendor says my MIDI interface will arrive Monday. I'll spend Sunday
preparing for it's arrival. Maybe a few nights next week, maybe a lot more
time next weekend, if my other obligations allow it.

I'm realizing that the biggest difference between my past days of writing Amiga
MIDI apps and now is that now I have a family and a real job. I also can't stay up
coding all night like I used to.

It's still something I'm passionate about though.

LyleHaze

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@dauber

I researched it this morning, but did not post a reply.
I managed to find a chart on the creative website, but for the life of me cannot find it now.
As best I recall, the SB0410 you quoted does NOT have a gameport, nor does the current "Audigy Value"
Other audigy models (and I think Extigy too) still have MIDI in the gameport connector.

The less expensive models that I saw (offhand, not an exhaustive search) was the SB Live 5.1, which still has a gameport, and the SB16PCI

Note: I'm not claiming or disclaiming Amiga compatibility, just the apparent existence of a gameport.

If I can find the chart that I saw this morning, I'll edit this reply with a URL.

LyleHaze

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@lylehaze

Never mind -- found a place where I can get the SB Live 5.1. (Sadly, not Best Buy!) Turns out that there are only two SB Lives still being made -- one PCI, one USB -- and they don't have the port...

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@lylehaze
You are correct. The SBLive! 5.1 is the model with
the game/MIDI port. They should still be available
in stores for under $50. The SBLive! 24bit only has
onboard MIDI (as does the 5.1).

@Mechanic

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The SBLive! 24bit only has onboard MIDI

At the risk of being too picky, I'll challenge the "onboard MIDI" statement..

Just for clarity of discussion, MIDI is a digital interface, not an onboard feature.
Yes, Sound cards can be a destination for MIDI data, and can work as a synth module in that regard, but I'm often confused as to whether the term "onboard MIDI' refers to playing audio through the internal sound card synthesizer, or passing the MIDI data to the gameport or a MIDI OUT jack on the card.

For the purposes of this discussion, my own comments regarding writing MIDI
drivers means code to transmit MIDI data through a connector and out to external synthesizers or MIDI equipment. I have no aspirations for writing Audio software.

Now you can all feel free to abuse me for making the distinction.

It's Friday!
LyleHaze

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onboard MIDI (as does the 5.1)

The creative site showed a photo of a 5.1 with a gameport.. I could be mistaken though.

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D'oh....and I just realized that the SB Live! uses the same sound chip as the Audigy...I guess this means I still won't be able to record properly.

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@dauber

My advice is Terratec....Zillion times better than the Creative... I am studying audio engineering and using the Terratec soundcards...They rocks!

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@eXec

Understood, but:

1) Are there AHI drivers for it that will work in OS4? and

2) Will it do MIDI via OS4?

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dauber wrote: @DaveAE Quote: DaveAE wrote: @dauber All SB Live models have a gameport that functions as MIDI port AFAIK. OK...what's this SB Live all you folks are talking about?? Seriously, I've been researching the basic SB Live. Here's what the specs are on it, straight from Creative's page, including a picture of the thing: - Line level out (Front / Side / Rear / Centre / Subwoofer) or Headphone out - Line In / Microphone In / *Digital I/O - Aux Audio in Nothing about MIDI. There's no game/joystick connector. Not even listed under "Package Contents" -- it doesn't appear even to have a separate connector. Nothin' else. That's it. Could someone maybe post a link to any SB Lives that DO have the connector???

this sb live card is 24 bit the real sb live is a 16 bit card that does have the gameport
i think creative has started using the live name for the cheaper cards they offer.
the best place to find these live cards is probably ebay

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@jkirk and dauber

Don't buy the SBLive! 24-bit. IIRC, it doesn't work with the emu10kx driver. I use model nr CT4830, but normally they don't show that in online stores.

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@dauber

I wrote drivers for the Terratec 512i and Terratec Aureon Sky 5.1.
But no, it won't do MIDI for a considerable time.

Note that the emu10kx driver I sent you works here and works for someone else now too. Really odd.

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At the risk of being too picky, I'll challenge the "onboard MIDI" statement.. Just for clarity of discussion, MIDI is a digital interface, not an onboard feature.

I fully agree with you. The sticky part is that the emu10k1 is
the same chip E-music used in many of their excellent products.
The soundfonts can be loaded directly into the chip and played
back with a MIDI keyboard. For what you are doing, I would not
consider it MIDI in the traditional sense.

@dauber

I saw around here that someone wrote the drivers for the EWS88MT
and DMX6Fire.... The cards are rocking and the sound quality is quite
good under acceptable latency. Is the MIDI supported, dont know?! But!
If you need it just for MIDI, it is only a interface... any other supported
soundcard should do the same as the expencive ones. Basicaly you need
the MIDI controller to control virtual instruments or a software sequencer
to control your external tone generators, fx devices, instruments...bla..bla..

All the best...

Dusko...

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@eXec

I wrote a basic driver for the Terratec Phase88 which is a EWS88MT in a new look. There is no DMX6Fire driver. The Phase88 driver will probably not be released for AHI since it's no use really.
Btw, the latency thing is a bit of a myth. Since all current cards don't have any significant onboard memory to store samples, latency is primarily dependant on the block size of the audio system.

AFAICS, you can't have OS4 native CAMD drivers with the 68k CAMD, so first CAMD has to be ported. I have an OS4 compiled version, but it doesn't run yet, because of the weird interaction with drivers.

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@lylehaze

Thank you for your ongoing MIDI projects. Anyone who ever used Amigas for MIDI work will be most appreciative when we're finally able to do it again with the next generation of Amiga computers.

Even though I don't even play an instrument, I bought Bars & Pipes Professional and was able to create some serviceable compositions with it. I think you're right when you call it a "killer app." What do you think of Alfred Faust's efforts with the open source B&P? Have you played with HD-REC? I think it's a stunning piece of software being quietly perfected! I can't wait until the final release!

Also -- and at the risk of sounding too gushing! -- I have to thank you for beginning work on the USB MIDI standard. I didn't even know keyboards were popping up with USB ports until recently! I haven't used MIDI with an Amiga since my A4000 went belly up five years ago. I use Amithlon now and could probably get something going, but prefer to wait until OS4 final and a new A1 model.

Thanks to everyone working on next gen Amiga audio solutions!

TJH

@Mechanic
a midi-less computer can also be used as a
highly complicated TV, even capable of
crashing!!! So computers really ARE versatile, after all...
8')