@Ralf

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How are you doing with the delta drivers.

Well the Delta drivers sort of depend on me. I promised Davy to send my M-Audio Delta 44 for OS4 driver development but all of a sudden, the Firewire Audiophile (which I am currently using as a replacement for the Delta) started to misbehave. The card tends to switch itself off randomly, sometimes even during playback! Unfortunately the problem does not seem to be reproduceable, and occurs from time to time only.

This is a big nuissance which I'm trying to sort out with my audio HW dealer. If I have to return the Audiophile I'll have no other option than start using the Delta again, which means I won't be able to send it to Davy for some time. I'm really sorry for that.

Regards,
Trixie

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@lylehaze
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At this point, I think you're right, but I believe that B&P is one of those "Killer Apps" that can create a market for the Amiga. It's not something that every Amiga owner will have to have, but I think it's enough that anyone working in a MIDI/Recording studio will consider buying an AOne just to run Bars&Pipes/AudioEvolution. It has the power to bring new users to the Amiga.

B&P is still a great little program and I think it can still go far. Once MIDI is up and running I was thinking about diving in the code myself and making some improvements. Just need camd, etc. to get the ball rolling. I'm not a driver guy but I am an application guy.

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@lylehaze

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If we had one standard from the start, much more could have been accomplished. CAMD has this opportunity. Damn, I'm ranting again.. Sorry.

I consider it teaching for those of us that don't know. Thanks for the lesson on Amiga-sound history. No need to be sorry. You might even get me using B&P when it's ready for my A1.

@Trixie

Well, you don't have to apologize.
I just hope the problem with the other soundcard will sort itself out.
Intermittent troubles are the worst there is.
No problem.

I'll just stick to the soundblaster a little while longer.

AAARRRGGGGGHHHHHH

Sorry but it just had to come out.

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@DoodooHead:

I don't know how many people are in the same position as me (maybe none?) but my main use for my Amiga has always been music and is the main reason I bought my A1.
Everyone told me to buy a Mac and I might still do that but I'd rather do everything on this machine.

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@Robert

I am with you brother. Most of my time on Amigas has been spent doing MIDI sequencing and audio recording. I did it once with Dr. T's KCS controlling Fostex 8 track reel to reel recorder. I did it again using Bars & Pipes and Studio 16. My next "album" will be made with B&P and Audio Evolution on OS4. :) Those who do music, will have great tools.

It always seemed to me that there were more visual Amigans than aural Amigans, but of course I don't know how many musicians are with us these days.

The future:
Will we hear original Amiga produced songs on Amigaworld radio?
Will we be scoring movies when we get digital video editing?

I think we will!

DoodooHead

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@DoodooHead

It always amazed me that even though the Amiga was the first real good platform for creating sound that it never was as popular as the Atari ST when it came to music. All because a MIDI interface was built into the ST where the Amiga had to get one seperatly.

I have some MIDI equipment and play mostly string instruments. I really want Audio evolution, I just can't afford it right now though.

@nzv58l

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All because a MIDI interface was built into the ST where the Amiga had to get one seperatly.

nope....only half true....it's because the Atari ST had Cubase....

Years ago I bought a midi-interface for my Amiga500, because I read in an interview with a famous Dutch multi-media artist, called Ad Visser, that he had a beta version of Cubase and it was soon to be released...but it never came so I bought an Atari ST with Cubase and i'm still using it....

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@lylehaze

I agree with you that Bars and Pipes would give the AmigaOne another of those "breakout" markets that it needs to do well survive and thrive. Anyone previously using Amiga midi software will recognize how cool an OS 4 version would be and how the return of a professional multimedia program to it's original platform could be ground backing and even say to the world that the Amiga is back in some professional circles.

-Don

@Ralf

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as soon as I can plug in a real Delta 66 soundcard

What about a TerraTec PHASE 88? Can't you use that? It should have Amiga supprt according to this thread: http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1332

I'm a musician myself, and I would like to find a good soundcard to go with my (hopefully soon) new Amiga. Maybe you know more about, what is good, and what is bad?

Sincerely
John Niclasen
Denmark.

@DonnyEMU

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DonnyEMU wrote: @lylehaze I agree with you that Bars and Pipes would give the AmigaOne another of those "breakout" markets that it needs to do well survive and thrive. Anyone previously using Amiga midi software will recognize how cool an OS 4 version would be and how the return of a professional multimedia program to it's original platform could be ground backing and even say to the world that the Amiga is back in some professional circles. -Don

If we can establish CAMD at ground zero, and Bars&Pipes is the "free" offering to baseline the Amiga MIDI market.. That is one heckuva strong starting point to build upon. I really don't see how we can go wrong.
Maybe re-establish the public-domain exchange of pipetools and accessories for B&P, or stream the input or outputs through other CAMD-friendly tools.
Patch editors, MIDI-automated Mixing boards either in software or hardware, tools for composing, arranging, and mixdown.
Can we create high-end power tools and put them in the hands of the general public?

Maybe it was all just a dream..

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@borchen

I have a couple dozen 2 to 3 minute piano compositions from 30 years ago that I want to play with. Separately I have some paid for audio samples that I want to chop into spaghetti and resplice together (they are both 50 megabyte of AIFF).

Now that I own an AmigaOne with oodles of processing speed and disk space I am revisiting the prospect of applying existing (or soon (ha! ha!) to exist) software to the 2 endeavors.

Can you tell me or offer a URL that would tell me how to judge what is available and what to look for? I don't know anything other than octamed (and that was 10 years ago). I view midi as a kin to player pianos. I am not looking for faithful piano reproduction at all. I haven't broken the tasks I will be facing into steps either.

1) Acquisition of sounds (by some sort of electronic composing program which *can* be oriented toward a keyboard and its embellishments),

2) transformation of sound sequences,

3) splicing desparate sequences,

4) mixing up to 15 channels (10 fingered piano note chords + some mashed doublenotes + a vocal track),

5) storage in to form suitable for reproduction (AIFF on a CD).

which is the extent to which I have thought about it.

Separate programs for different steps? One program with lots of mixing down?

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@Geomol

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What about a TerraTec PHASE 88? Can't you use that?

I´m sure I could, but sadly enough, money is an issue.
The Delta is about one tenth of the price, and does the job.
It also have balanced inputs and outputs, (wich I coulden´t see the Terratec had).
And if I, somewhere in the future, want more ins and outs (and when the Amiga will allow for more then two channels at a time), I´d just buy another Delta card.
The Delta drivers (PC anyway) allows for up to four Delta 44/66 simultaneously.
And that with a couple of midi ins will be more than I´ll ever need.

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@Ralf

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I´m sure I could, but sadly enough, money is an issue.

The PHASE 88 is not that expensive. I can get it here in Denmark for 1.849,- DKr, which is US$324.

The Delta 66 is $189.00 - $302.00.

http://www.xs-sound.dk/

Where to buy TerraTec:
http://produceren.terratec.net/index.php?name=EZCMS&menu=5&page_id=14

What I don't know is, what possibilities I have, if I want to make dts sound in high quality. What is good and what is bad? And what can be done with a new Amiga?

- John

@ggw

That's where B&P and AudioEvolution come in.

The sequencer goes far beyond the player piano in the sense that it allows you not only to record/create/playback performances as big as a symphony, it can also control other applications on the Amiga, which in turn could drive a background video projector and even stage lights and special fx according to the instrument, notes pitch or expression if you wanted to.

But getting back to your question, typically you would record your keyboard performance (or just write the scores by hand with the mouse) with B&P and then edit it as needed.
Each tracks is polyphonic so it could be just one track, e.g. the piano or several if you want to add e.g. a cello.
At this point it's just MIDI notes in the computer.
To play it back and hear it you need at least one sound module, e.g. the one from your keyboard and or a dedicated one like the Roland JV-x080.
(one day it might be possible to use the one built into most sound cards)

You can then send the analog or digital output of the sound module back into your audio card and record that as a digital audio track with AudioEvolution.
Now you don't need the sequencer anymore and can just play that track back at will while recording the vocals on another track.

Once you're done with editing and mixing it down to a 44.1KHz 16bit stereo track all you need is a CD burner and MakeCD or a similar application like MakeISO+CDRecord to make your redbook master.

As you can see, you need a midi keyboard, sequencer app, sound module, recording app cd-mastering app and cd burner.

I'm skipping a lot of small details but it's not a tutorial

Once you know the tools and step involved it's very simple.

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@AmigAlex

In the same terminology, what is needed, if I wanna make dts or dts-es music on a DVD? (afaik dts is 5:1 and dts-es is 7:1, right?)

- John.

@Geomol

Well I´m happy I´m not in to accounting.
I didn´t find any Swedish retailer so I took a Uk one, and then I typed 1957 GBP in the currency converter (now I see it should have been 195.70GBP).

It sounds interesting.
I will probably take a closer look.
Thanks for the info.

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@Geomol

Making dts or Dolby Digital requires a license from the respective companies. That's why products allowing to encode to these formats cost a lot of money. For example, Minnetonka's DTS-DVD authoring costs $499. So you probably won't see at least something legal on the Amiga. Now, for Dolby Digital there is a GPL ac3encode tool. You could theoratically use this to generate DD, but you would require an audio system or audio product that will be able to output multiple channels and do some sort of surround panning. Luckily for you, I've got something in the works that already does surround panning.

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@borchen

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a beta version of Cubase and it was soon to be released

Charlie Steinberg said in an interview that an Amiga version was planned but they had some problems with timing. I believe they also got discouraged by the resolution (640x256, 50 Hz) - on the ST they had 640x400 at 70Hz right out of the box, without having to resort to expensive hardware hacks a la flickerfixer.

Too bad Steinberg gave up - Cubase is a wonderful piece of software (although these days I'm more and more getting used to Ableton Live, which lets me experiment with my music ideas more quickly).

Regards,
Trixie

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@ssolie

Did you ever have a go hacking at the code?

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