@DaveAE

I didnt know that the full specs of the soundcards are not supported
yet. It would be a great thing to have the full supported cards like the
Phase 88... The best example for profesional tracking to follow will be
the "Multi ASIO" client, becouse it allows to link all up to 4 Phase 88
cards to be adressed like one. 4 x 8 chanells = 32 mono, 16 stereo!
It would be a rocking thing for OS4... For instance it could be the same
thing like by ProTools. Each chanel is hard patched with its physical
output/input. You just need some hiQ mic/line preamps (and they can
be bought externaly..SPL, Focusrite...bla..bla). Someone should do that
job. My advice to Hyperion is to do the thing. HYPERION DO YOU HEAR
THIS? As a Audio Engineering student i know allmost all music
production systems... From ProTools, over Logic Platinum till
Cubase/Nuendo an on end the Ableton Live... They all are supporting
ASIO drivers becouse of the lowest latency as possible and direct
access (high priority) to the soundcard itself. Something like ASIO
under OS4 should be a unaviodable integral part, offcourse if they
want to place the Amiga on the field of professional audio production.

All the best...

Dusko

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No need to shout to Hyperion. I am already doing this, just read the next issue of Total Amiga. In future you will be able to use multiple soundcards like the Phase 88 simultaneously. Ofcourse the drivers will have direct access to the cards, that's what drivers are for. Don't look too much at Windows, it's not a real comparison, better look at OSX.

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Something occurred to me earlier...

As a quick recap...the reason I've been in a tizzy over my Audigy 2 ZS is that the AHI driver available for it publicly wasn't recording properly...it was recording in 8-bit resolution and at nearly half the frequency it should have been.

Davy fixed the problem, e-mailed me the latest AHI driver and...the sound vastly improved, right frequency, right resolution, etc., except that it was only picking up one channel...that is, it was only registering the left channel. Yet the older, buggier driver was registering both channels.

REGISTERING.

Here's what crossed my mind: my input source was my Yamaha keyboard, connected to the input via the Spectraflex cable I use for my guitar. These are supposed to be top-of-the-line, guaranteed forever. (I put Spectraflex to test on this, and sure enough, they came through for me.)

And it occurred to me that guitars are generally not stereo instruments, so guitar cables probably aren't wired for stereo.

I went to Best Buy today and bought a stereo audio cable with the proper connectors at each end. I ran it through the Audigy, and guess what happened.

If you guessed "Your AHI programs started picking up both channels," you absolutely guessed CORRECTLY!!!! What must have happened was that the old buggy driver was picking up the single-channel sound but was putting it in BOTH the left and right channels, ergo making it a mono recording, while the new, fixed driver put it only in one channel...because there only WAS one channel!

I'd like to publicly apologize to Davy Wentzler for any chaos my erroneous findings may have caused. Sorry, Davy!!!! I just need to get my head out of my butt once in a while.

Glad to know I don't have to hunt for another sound card now. And that now I can say my µA1 does EVERYTHING that I want it to do, except run Directory Opus Magellan.

THANKS, DAVY!!!

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I was afraid to ask the most basic question whether your cabling was correct. Oh well, glad it is resolved now.

I still hope to make Mixer work with the Audigy2, but it may take some more time than I expected. Hopefully I'll get more documentation soon.

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@DaveAE

Does the Audigy2 have a real midi port ?

Having read a few articles about midi. I think virtual midi devices would be cool on Amiga OS 4.

real midi port
http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/serial/

PC virtual midi device loopbe1 1.01
http://www.gold-software.com/download8579.html


Linux how to use midi sequencers with softsynths via virtual connection
http://linux-sound.org/quick-toots/4-sequencers_and_softsynths/quick-toot-midisynth_howto.html

Asy

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The Audigy2 has a standard gameport connector which can function as MIDI In/Out port with the right cable.
"Virtual" midi devices/ports are supported within CAMD IIRC.

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@dauber

There are two SB Live! cards being made, the "SB Live! 24 bit" and the "SB Live 5.1" (Also known as "Special Edition").

The "5.1" model does have a joystick/MIDI port. I have one of those.

The "24bit" one looks awful - no joystick port! What cheap skates...

Note that "SB16 PCI" is actually just an "SB128", it has a MIDI port too, but there's no support for it in the SB128 driver right now.

Regards.

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@DaveAE

Yep!

That seems to be correct what you have told about OSX but, you can`t
say that the bloddy PC has not evolved. On my university we are using
ProTools systems on G5... but the Cubase and Nuendo are pretty good
loking and they are also stabile.. There is a high number of plugins for
VST world and, well... the Cubase SX 3.0 is a damn good program which
over the ASIO audio port works preety good! I am using it currently at
home and it is easy to work with it... I think that the further course of
development of the professional audio aplications on Amiga has a bright
future. Only, the good and stabile drivers are needed for the professional
and half professional soundcards. When will you relase your drivers?

all the best...

Dusko

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@eXec

I will release them when it makes sense, that is, when the new audio system is released.

Oh, and some wise words from another thread: Please stay realistic.

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@DaveAE

"Oh, and some wise words from another thread: Please stay realistic."

explanation....

all the best...


Dusko...

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@DaveAE

Heh, who wants to be realistic? What's the fun in that?

Personally, I think both audio editing and video editing could be done VERY professionally without a multi-million dollar corporation behind you. Ever see the Windows program "VirtualDub"? It's a truely inspiring piece of software, in that it's easy to use, has a bunch of features, AND you can write your own processing scripts. Much (but not quite) like you would with AREXX on the Amiga, really. Merge, cut, edit, process, convert. It's all so simple if you just have a GUI that allows you to see the video, seek in the video, mark edit points (where to start, where to end), add filters etc.

In addition you would of course need ways to capture video (analog or digital inputs, compressed and uncompressed (yes, SDI rules over MPEG)) and ways to play video (analog and/or digital outputs)

In my mind I see a fine future for Audio Evolution if it could be turned into Media Evolution
If someone just writes the main GUI and documents an API that can be used to write filters, the only thing you need are advanced users. The more users, the more functionality. It could start out as something as simple as a player with converting possibilities (loader and saver for more than one file format). Next step, editing (choose parts and order of playback for input file). Next step: filter API. Last step: profit.

The CPU power is there (at least with a fast PPC74xx) to do simple editing of video real-time. With a PPC970 or a dual-cpu (or the dual-core MPC8641D system-on-chip estimated to sample this fall) it should be possible to do even non-trivial things with video in real-time (or faster, if video has already been captured prior to editing. Is it possible for instance with IEEE1394 to capture video faster than real-time from a from a previous shot in a camera? Anyone?)

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@olegil

Note that MPlayer has a REALLY good loader/saver, but no good way to add your own filters or ways to do simple editing. It's a shame, really.

Cause I see a market..

Let's say someone wanted to make a goofy video of dad doing a bit of barbequing, for example as a black-and-white silent movie. Ok, then you need to be able to convert everything to gray scale, insert stills of explaining text, replace sound track with piano music and lastly add some film grain/impurities to the look of it. How difficult would that be for Joe Average? Not very difficult, if he had a GUI that allowed him to capture to hard-drive, drag around with the seek tool until he found his cut points, fire up the easy-to-use movie-title generator application I have mulling at the back of my head, and add some cool filters to generate film grain, gray scale, "dust & scratch noise" (I don't know what this is really called in the movie biz, but it's what you get when you pass light through an aging film that's been around the block a few times ).

I mean, seriously. We need this.

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@lylehaze

Quote:

lylehaze wrote: @dauber I have "volunteered" to write CAMD MIDI drivers for the uA1. To that end I've collected a lot of documents and I'm just having a blast so far. While gameport MIDI drivers are generally easy to write, I'm having some trouble understanding the PCI portion of expansion.library, and how to use it to get from here to there. CAMD is no problem, as I'm quite familiar with how it works, and I've written a few drivers for the classic Amigas. ... LyleHaze

So this is where it all began...which is good in that we get a hdaudio driver now.

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@eXec I will release them when it makes sense, that is, when the new audio system is released. Oh, and some wise words from another thread: Please stay realistic.

Too bad this was never released...we really do need a replacement for AHI.

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@Valiant

What do you see as the main problem with it? Main problems I see are drivers not making full use of hardware channels nor AHI itself which lkes the DIY approach. And not being able to share channels across applications for music API without some add on hack that just messes up the quality. Which is unneeded as AHI already mixes it all together internally anyway.

Another gripe I have are unportable sources for the drivers. Davey had this convoluted system for compiling a driver I could not duplicate and every SB driver I compiled just crashed. I gave up. I had an idea to work around a hardware issue that would cause the sound to loop in fast music mode. But I could never test it as I could never get a driver to compile!

Apart from that AHI Prefs is too complicated. It contains settings unnecessary for the average user and should setup its own default setup. We shouldn't need to deal with units or channels. Let AHI sort it out and put it an Advanced tab if needed I say.

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@Hypex

Full ack!

@Hypex

I don't remember but is there not a problem whit OpenAL and 3D sound?

I think it works well for most part, I guess the one thing I wont to change is how applications talks whit AUDIO system, today the program has to talk whit AHI unit or hardware directly, it be better if the mixer was in control of audio output, and programs did care about audio output, this way you might connect or disconnect USB headphons and USB soundcard whit out, the application crashing, or halting for no good reason, and also Mixer should be able to controll volume output for etch application, so if you playing music while your lessening on VoIP you have some control.

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I'd love to get actual surround sound 5.1 audio on my micro A1 some day. I wonder if there is any chance that the 7.1 audio drivers from the X1000 could be engineered to work on the micro A1?

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@Valiant

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Too bad this was never released...we really do need a replacement for AHI.

Even if Davy Wentzler was still around, AE had a dependency:

From 2010:

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Well, that's only possible when wxWidgets is ported to OS4, which I don't see happening any time soon

@Hypex

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What do you see as the main problem with it?

Davy Wentzler again from 2010:

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Even after that, AHI is not up to the task that AE4 needs

Found a thread with a few specifics from a discussion between Davy and someone who wanted to do professional work. I'll let you decide if the info is still relevant today:

AHI and OS4.1

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@scabit
The 7.1 driver on the X1000 is tailored to "hdaudio". While I have very little experience with other AHI drivers, I suspect the difference is pretty broad. However, ANY driver with a version of 6 can tell AHI that it supports "multichannel" with a single bit, and it just becomes one more format that you might get back from AHI.

@number6

I have had similar concerns regarding audio applications for the studio.
We have had some amazing audio programs available to us, but as long as AHI is the only means of reaching the hardware, then the actual application will suffer.

I have begun some early test work to support USB Audio, and I am strongly considering the addition of a "raw" option to allow audio software to access USB audio devices directly. While it's not a perfect solution, it solves a few problems at once: Those who care to buy additional sound gear would be enabled for multiple channels, multiple interfaces, and a variety of sound quality limited only by their cash available.
It's all in early exploration now. Obviously it would take some time to complete, but I have circulated a tool that showed a pretty fair compatibility with USB audio devices on SAM and X1000 machines.

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