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resle 
Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 22-May-2013 7:09:35
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From: shanghai

@realize

Unfortunately, you can't get someone excited about writing software if he/she has to suffer several hardware constraints.

When does a developer devote his time to a platform with a very limited user base? Only when it's awesome and offers some advanced apis, powerful custom chipsets ets. But if the user base is almost null AND the hardware performs like something from 10 years ago, why bother?

If tomorrow some completely new platform with a never heard before cpu and instruction set, totally uncompatible with x86, Arm etc. was launched - but it boasted some 5-years-ahead graphics, input method, and/or general sexyness - everyone would jump aboard recognizing the potential and develop all sorts of stuff for it.

That's what happend, say, with the iPhone. And with the Amiga, 20 years before.

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Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 22-May-2013 8:11:25
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@resle

Actually, I don't think it would even require being ahead in graphics (nor CPU). If you could have the driver support of Windows but without having Windows get in the way, a modern i5 with a top-of-the-line GPU is a pretty powerful machine. Hardware wise, it's hard to see what exactly is wrong with that.

What is needed is the ease of developing and distributing software. THAT is what happened with the iPhone. That and the multitouch screen. Making phones with the exact same specification as the iPhone was fairly easy in 2007 and 2008, I've even got an OMAP eval board from 2008 with the same CPU (but missing the GSM parts) and a better screen somewhere.

edit: it's actually pretty funny to mention "5 years ahead graphics" and iPhone in the same paragraph, considering it came out in 2007 and used the PowerVR MBX from 2001. 6 years, wrong direction.
This is also the reason why we shouldn't use the 5121e for anything in 2013, the GPU is just so far behind it's not even bad.

Last edited by olegil on 22-May-2013 at 08:46 AM.

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resle 
Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 22-May-2013 8:53:20
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@olegil

Yes I was talking in general.

As for the "current Amiga", I don't even want to go into the debate on what it needs. Because it's so simple and so easily achievable, and prevented by nothing but a bunch of big egos and another bunch of childish dreamers. Harsh eh?

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Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 22-May-2013 13:20:34
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@resle

Quote:

resle wrote:
@realize

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But if the user base is almost null AND the hardware performs like something from 10 years ago, why bother?
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Then please tell me why back in 1985/86 not everybody left MS-DOS and Intel and jumped onto the Amiga train instead?

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Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 22-May-2013 14:45:11
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@Dandy

Millions did. But you need to keep momentum. Commodore did for maybe 3-4 years, then lost it. The rest is history.

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amitv 
Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 15-Jun-2013 18:13:52
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some boiling activities:







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pavlor 
Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 15-Jun-2013 20:44:53
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@amitv

We know.

That micro-ATX board from A-Eon looks good. If it uses P5020, I would be really tempted to buy it.

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vox 
Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 15-Jun-2013 21:01:05
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@amitv

These are A-EON USB Flash drives with Linux installed?
Are they available?

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Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 15-Jun-2013 21:45:27
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@vox

my opinion that this is a new motherboard

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Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 15-Jun-2013 21:54:20
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@amitv

For now, it might be a toy model

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Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
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@vox

for me it definitely looks like lego.

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Re: Is the cauldron at boiling point?
Posted on 10-Mar-2014 19:03:50
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@thread

are the bubbles popping?

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