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I began to install my recently adquired OS 4.1 for my Amiga One.This evening after some headarounds I now have a doubt or question very important to answer here.
As I have thinked the partitions in number and name to be added on MediaToolBox,I go away and try to make 13 partitions for various purposes of which 4 have to be assigned to the following OSes:

1>AmigaOS4.1
2>AmigaOS4.0 Final
3>AmigaOS4.0 upd#4
4>AmigaOS4.0 upd#1

I readed on the OS4.1 manual and somewhere too,that SFS/00 is suitable to use on the boot partition on this case AmigaOS4.1.
If the Kicklayout of the four systems must be merged and the three apart of OS4.1 must be non bootable because they must be I think booted from DH0 thanks to the Kicklayout contained on the boot partition:

What have I to do convert my first four partitions to SFS?
What SFS is suitable for the 2,3 and 4 listed above partitions that are AmigaOS systems too but not marked as bootable,SFS/00 as AmigaOS4.1 or SFS/02?

Excuse me if I am a bit nervous explaining this,but I am passing all the day with the installation and I have reached to the point of the Media ToolBox picture without more progress than this because SFS doubt in great percentage.

Hope to clear more the situation with your help.Thanks in advance.

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@newlight

I use sfs for my boot partition and jxfs or what the new filesystem is called for the rest of my partitions. But i heard cygnus/x11 doesnt like the new filesystem for strange reason. Havent tested it so i dont know but have cygnus installed. All other stuff works here. Only thing i dislike in the new filesystem is the .recycled dir shows in dopus. I want it to be hidden for the system like sfs.

@Kicko

All right your answer has been straighforward.

I want to make bootable all the versions of AmigaOS from OS 4.1 to OS4.0 upd#1
with the same fylesystem.

So what types of SFS fylesystem must be assigned to each version of AmigaOS to be able to boot up?

I refer to OS4.1,OS4.0,update4 and update1.

Has anyone a project or something similar of multiple AmigaOS booting?

How can I make it with SmartFileSystem?

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@newlight

I change the boot priority of the partition I want to boot from. You will boot from the partition with the highest priority set in Media Toolbox. To change each partition to SFS, you will need to backup each partition, change to sfs/00 with blocksize of 512, save & exit to WB & do a quick format. For 4.1, you're all set, for the other 3, I'd use SmartFileSystem SFS v1.279. Just copy it into each of the 3 kickstart directories, replacing the old ones.

To boot from any of the 4, go into Media Toolbox & bump the priority higher then the other 3, save, & do a cold re-boot to load the correct kickstart libs. You can set the non-booting partitions to 0 & the one you want to boot from to 1.

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@newlight

Multibooting into any iteration of OS4.n you fancy is possible and described here.

It works as advertised and I can boot into OS4.0 Final, OS4.0 Final (udate) and OS4.1. Selectable at UBoot time. No need to hassle wit bootpriorities!

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@OldFart

I knew about the kicklayout method, but thats more for advanced users, make any mistakes & you run the risk of not being able to boot off the HD.

Check out the "OS4 Zone" link, maybe you could post your kicklayout file for others to see.

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@newlight

May I ask why you want to do this?

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@sundown

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Check out the "OS4 Zone" link, maybe you could post your kicklayout file for others to see.

I have posted a step-by-step tutorial as well as an excerpt of my main kicklayout file at "OS4 Zone". You could try it.

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I would if I could find it.

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@sundown


Dunno how long it takes to have it available for everyone. But as I have written the tutorial in notepad, I could send you the 'manuscript' if you want to.

OldFart

EDIT:
The tutorial I spoke about is now available here.

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I think OS4.0 Final,Update4 and maybe Update1 too have things or stability that my new OS4.1 system lacks maybe cause its too new and probably unfinished or unpolished.

But I don't care at all if I have to delete and install OS4.1 with SFS,I delete it and install again now with FFS,I do what I think at the moment.

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@newlight

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I began to install my recently adquired OS 4.1 for my Amiga One.

Have you installed OS4.1 on your Amiga One?
Have you set the bootpriority of that partition to be the (single) highest?
Does your Amiga One boot from this partition?

Would you please answer these questions on a one-by-one basis? It makes pinpointing the problem and subsequently helping you out a lot easier.

General rule: take one step at a time!

OldFart

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sundown wrote: @OldFart I knew about the kicklayout method, but thats more for advanced users, make any mistakes & you run the risk of not being able to boot off the HD. Check out the "OS4 Zone" link, maybe you could post your kicklayout file for others to see.

The kicklayout method yes,is risky.I comprobed it myself a few minutes ago changing A1ide.device.kmod to disabled with a ; sign at the beginning and putting onto brackets the module on my Kickstart/OS4.1 dir.

The result was OS4.1 not booting!!!

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@OldFart



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OldFart wrote: @newlight Quote: I began to install my recently adquired OS 4.1 for my Amiga One. Have you installed OS4.1 on your Amiga One? Have you set the bootpriority of that partition to be the (single) highest? Does your Amiga One boot from this partition? Would you please answer these questions on a one-by-one basis? It makes pinpointing the problem and subsequently helping you out a lot easier. General rule: take one step at a time! OldFart

Yes to all questions.

I installed OS4.1 on my Amiga One aproximately last saturday with SFS/00 first
and second yesterday with FFS to be able to boot Linux in the future as the old slb_v2 supports OS4,FFS,SFS and Linux/MOL and I readed that to boot Linux I have to make my boot partition on OS4 to FFS,that's right?

I have setted the boot priority of OS4.1 to 1,the boot priority of OS4.0 Final to 0 and the Update#4 and Update#1 boot priorities to 0 too as the boot priority of Final.So the OS4.1 DH0 boot partition is setted to the (single) highest

And my Amiga One boots onto OS4.1 since last weekend!!! (but has lots of bugs experienced)

All the systems are listed on the U-Boot slb_2 that are 8 in all I think but at the moment only boot right OS4.1 as OS4.0 Final boots but shows dependencies with OS4.1 when it's booted like gadgets,libraries and requesters about this.So
OS 4.0 Final seems unusable and include are the rounded windows corners that belongs to OS4.1 to probe this dependency.

Thanks for your rule "take one step at a time"

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@newlight

From your explication I get that your AmigaOne is perfectly booting into OS4.1, right?

Now you want to be able too to boot into OS4.0 Final+update, right?
I've written a tutorial which you can find here.
This an exact step by step tutorial: read one step, execute it, read next step, execute it. In the end you have a perfect AmigaOS multiboot setup.

Of course, you can repeat the steps in the tutorial for every version (iteration) of AmigaOS you want.

I do not know how to setup the machine to have a choice between AmigaOS (in various iterations) and Linux (in various iterations). That is beyond my knowledge.

OldFart

EDIT 1:
About the tutorial: make sure that at step 14 you give a blank line (enter) before pasting the contents of the buffer into the file! The excerpt shows this correctly: before the line starting with 'LABEL' you see a blank line.

EDIT 2 (jan 8, 2009):
replace this line
6 : Copy ALL files (and only files) from "OS_4.0_F1:Kickstart" to "OS_4.1:Kickstart"
by this one:
6 : Copy ALL files (and only files) from "OS_4.0_F1:Kickstart" to "OS_4.1:Kickstart/OS_4.0_F1"

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@OldFart

I readed the tutorial and ended with the same results.Only I can boot OS4.1
and the others have problems to boot.Even OS4.0 Final boots it gives errors and seems to boot as it was OS4.1 with the GUI of this.I entered the bootdevice line in Update4,Update1 and OS4.0 Final before the EXEC line and a blank line between each configurations,maybe I lost some steps?

What can be the mistake?Is it complicate to boot all AmigaOS4 versions at the U-Boot menu?

I have installed the second level booter v1.8 from the OS4.0 developer pre-release CD wich is needed to boot Linux.That's the number I think I have installed.

All my partitions are SFS except OS4.1 that is bootable and FFS as I think is a requeriment to boot Linux.

Are you sure that this tuturial is safe enough to boot 4 OS4.0 versions?

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@newlight

Hm, I'm sorry to hear that you've go so many problems with this. Actually, it should be rather straight forward.

Quote:

Is it complicate to boot all AmigaOS4 versions at the U-Boot menu?

No, this is not complicated at all!

Quote:

Are you sure that this tuturial is safe enough to boot 4 OS4.0 versions?

Very safe! Actually it is a tutorial based upon the only official way to provide multiboot facilities for Amiga OS!
I used to have OS4.0 #2, - #3, - #4, Final, Final + update and (finally!) OS4.1 to be able to boot from! No problem at all.

Come to think of it: can you give me some specific info?
a: What is the volume name of the OS4.1 partition?
b: What is its exec device designation, as provided by 'Info...'?

c: What is the volume name of the OS4.0 (Final + update) partition?
d: What is its exec device designation, as provided by 'Info...'?

N.b.: the exec device designation can be retrieved also with the shell command 'info'. This gives you a list of all available disks and partitions.
The first column is the exec device designation ('Unit') and the last column provides the volume name ('Name')

Like this:

DH0:         255M    427.540      95.788  82%      0 Alleen lezen    OS_4.1
DH1:         255M     82.996     178.668  32%      0 Alleen lezen    OS_4.0 r3
DH10:      4.000M    912.796   3.183.236  22%      0 Alleen lezen    UAE
DH11:      1.023M  1.290.125     806.067  62%      0 Alleen lezen    Muziek
DH12:        128M    223.323      38.821  85%      0 Alleen lezen    OS_4.0 r2
DH13:        127M    250.406      11.290  96%      0 Alleen lezen    OS_4.0 Final
DH14:        164M    333.086       3.362  99%      0 Alleen lezen    OS_4.0 Final 1
DH15:      5.119M  5.116.587   5.368.533  49%      0 Lezen/Schrijven Archives
DH16:        521M    633.361     435.503  59%      0 Lezen/Schrijven ExtSYS
DH18:      7.984M 10.272.722   6.079.278  63%      0 Lezen/Schrijven Video's
DH2:         255M     93.128     168.536  36%      0 Alleen lezen    OS_4.0 r4

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Here is my device info from the shell:

Juevo proceso Shell 5
5.OS4.1:> info
Discos montados:
Unidad Tamaño Usado Libre Lleno Errs. Estado Nombre
CD0: 4.471M 2.289.494 0 100% 0 Sólo lectura MAME DVD-1
CD1: 3.445M 1.763.923 0 100% 0 Sólo lectura MAME DVD-2
CD2: 3.407M 1.744.860 0 100% 0 Sólo lectura DOWNLOADS+SCUMM VM GAMES
DH0: 2.048M 146.244 902.532 14% 0 Lect./Escr. OS4.1
DH1: 2.048M 1.520.145 2.675.007 36% 0 Lect./Escr. OS4.0
DH10: 40G 9.121.196 75.066.628 11% 0 Lect./Escr. MAME
DH11: 4.482M 8.620.495 558.689 94% 0 Lect./Escr. DOWNLOADS
DH12: 5.789M 28.957 11.827.235 0% 0 Lect./Escr. AMIGA
DH2: 2.048M 300.054 3.894.810 7% 0 Lect./Escr. OS4.0upd#4
DH3: 2.048M 117.600 4.077.264 3% 0 Lect./Escr. OS4.0upd#1
DH4: 15G 2.710.482 30.146.718 8% 0 Lect./Escr. GAMES
DH5: 10G 4.105.989 17.065.467 19% 0 Lect./Escr. WORK
DH6: 10G 14.705.686 8.089.226 65% 0 Lect./Escr. WORK2
DH7: 6.490M 4.304 3.318.820 0% 0 Lect./Escr. PC
DH8: 4.234M 684.865 7.988.063 8% 0 Lect./Escr. MAC
DH9: 20G 562.170 41.680.182 1% 0 Lect./Escr. EMULATORS
ENV: 150K 150 0 100% 0 Lect./Escr. Env
FD0: No hay medio presente
ICD0: No hay medio presente
ICD1: No hay medio presente
IDF0: No hay medio presente
IDF1: No hay medio presente
IDF2: No hay medio presente
IDF3: No hay medio presente
IPC0: No hay medio presente
RAM: 73K 73 0 100% 0 Lect./Escr. RAM Disk
TEXTCLIP: 139M 0 146.391.040 0% 0 Lect./Escr. TextClip

Volúmenes disponibles:
RAM Disk: [Montado]
AMIGA: [Montado]
DOWNLOADS: [Montado]
MAME: [Montado]
EMULATORS: [Montado]
MAC: [Montado]
PC: [Montado]
WORK2: [Montado]
WORK: [Montado]
GAMES: [Montado]
OS4.0upd#1: [Montado]
OS4.0upd#4: [Montado]
OS4.0: [Montado]
MAME DVD-1: [Montado]
DOWNLOADS+SCUMM VM GAMES: [Montado]
MAME DVD-2: [Montado]
OS4.1: [Montado]
5.OS4.1:>

Is still a provisional state of installation because I have lots of things to install but I hope sooner I could run all OS4.1+OS4.0Final+July update+Update4+Update1 and maybe others too.MAME doesn't run at least at the moment.I will try to go the easy way.

I prefer to do it on my Amiga One but give me a step by step and I will be careful to make thing well and happy if it works!

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@newlight

your setup is problematic because Update 1 and update 4 does not support bootdevice text file.

You should never use positive boot values in media-toolbox because if you need to boot on your CDROM, and your CDROM has lower boot priority you can't do that.

set update1 partition inactive boot pri = -2.
Update4 boot pri 0
OS4 Final + July update boot pri -1
OS4.1 boot pri -1

Update 4 has the highest boot priority, so it does not need bootdevice text file

bootdevice text file for OS4.1 most contain DH0 (/kickstart/OS41/BootDevice)
bootdevice text file for OS4.0 most contain DH1 (/Kickstart/OS40/BootDevice)

kickstart modules most all be located on partitions whit highest boot priority in this case its update4 (DH2)

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@newlight

My excuse for not responding earlier, I had an apointment in the meantime that I could not resist...
All right, here goes.

DH0: contains OS4.1 on your system.
Say, that we want to make 'OS4.1upd#4:' as the second boot option in UBoot.

Now, do this:
DH0: should have the highest bootpriority (mine has +7, because the next downwards has +6 and the one preceding that has +5, and so further, and so further...). Just make it the highest.

In 'OS4.1:Kickstart' make a directory called 'OS4.0upd#4'.
Copy all files from OS4.0upd#4:Kickstart into this directory.
Now check the version number of the following files and please state them here:
'OS4.1:Kickstart/dos.library.kmod'
'OS4.1:Kickstart/OS4.0upd#/dos.library.kmod'

Please report about your proceedings and the version numbers.
Then we will be doing the next step(s).

OldFart

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