Two interesting open source projects.

https://github.com/mozilla/shumway

https://github.com/playscript/playscript-mono

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Maybe you heard about Fabs port of swf for MUI OWB on MOS

Maybe you just need someone doing the port of the port for AOS4.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

"Flash" and "current techs" in the same sentence? Does not compute...

If you really haven't noticed, the whole world is finally phasing out from flash. Popular sites, that many people nowadays still claim "need flash" (such as YouTube) haven't done so for years.

Even Adobe has noticed that Flash is dying, and killed it on Android.

Sure, occassionally you do find some sites that DO need it, but I don't remember the last time I encountered one, that was actually important. Most often, it's advertisements.



But if you really DO need a flash player / plugin? It's rare, but that can happen.

Well then, I doubt it would help having a VERY partial implementation, that can run only some of actually "necessary" flash files... Sure, it might be able to stream YouTube videos ultra slowly, but as said before, that doesn't need Flash.

Also, if I remember correctly, shumway is "web-native" project, which "in english" means "complete opposite of native", in other words, JavaScript.

And if JavaScript wasn't already slow enough, consider running it on platforms that lack JavaScript JIT...
(Hint: This includes PowerPC.)

@Jupp3

Yeah, flash should not be a goal in 2013. Now it's better to put ALL effort into catching on with HTML5 support, and maybe we could also get a javascript jit? I mean, there's no technical reason why powerpc doesn't have that, only a political/economical one. If we make it economically worthwhile, it will come. For some sort of value for "worthwhile", not necessarily a sensible one

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What about asking for the XULrunner branch to match with TimberWolf?
Or is TimberWolf as the native port of Firefox lacking enough Javascript?

I definitely agree with skipping flash and going straight for HTML5 instead

Facebook just notified me that I need flash. Since Facebook will be taking over Microsoft anytime soon we are all dooomed! To use flssh.

You can see the cracks appearing. Booted my PC the other day and up comes an ad saying I should update my flash and all the benefits it provides. Hmmm seems a touch desperate there.

Most sites i visit, was it streaming media sites, sites with banners, shopping catalogues, flash games (like on fb and others) etc still needs flash so i dont see it dead. Just for fun i disabled flash on my mobilephone and used browser in normal browing mode instead of mobile mode and saw more stuff required flash than i thought. Many stuff i thought was html5/gif etc. When the day comes it dies im fine but thats nothing i see of yet.

Last edited by Kicko on 09-Apr-2013 at 03:31 PM.

@Hypex

Well, so you need flash NOW. You won't get flash NOW, so the discussion should be where to focus the effort for the FUTURE. You know, the thing that comes after NOW.

If Adobe is abandoning flash, then facebook sure as heck is gonna abandon it as well. HTML5 + websockets really is the future, if we waste resources on flash NOW we're gonna be behind on HTML5 and websockets once facebook stops using flash.

Then you're gonna bitch and moan about THAT. So I would rather have a little extra bitching NOW and save on the bitching in the FUTURE.

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@olegil

Interesting response. To which I will repond by saying I was using OWB so didn't expect flash nor knew it needed it for whatever it was doing but I didn't really care either way. I don't want junk coming down the line. I'm not using a PC!

@olegil

Odyssey already supports HTML5 including video, audio and websockets, by the way... So no time to waste on that anymore. ;)

Flash will probably be deprecated someday, but in the meanwhile, i wouldn't mind writing a new plugin based on an opensource flash10 compatible implementation, to deal with all the sites requiring it. Which unfortunately won't happen... :)

@Hypex
@Kicko

I refrain from updating Flash. I wonder what would happen if everybody did so.. Would they (Ado be) notice?

@Hypex
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Facebook just notified me that I need flash. Since Facebook will be taking over Microsoft anytime soon we are all dooomed! To use flssh.

Never used Facebook myself. On the other hand, I noticed some Facebook scripts for (MorphOS) OWB, perhaps those make the page use standard HTML5 video instead?

Remember, such a popular page absolutely must be usable with iOS devices, which means it must be 100% usable without Flash. Regarding this, read the rest of my post.

@Kicko

Quote:

Most sites i visit, was it streaming media sites, sites with banners, shopping catalogues, flash games (like on fb and others) etc still needs flash so i dont see it dead. Just for fun i disabled flash on my mobilephone and used browser in normal browing mode instead of mobile mode and saw more stuff required flash than i thought. Many stuff i thought was html5/gif etc. When the day comes it dies im fine but thats nothing i see of yet.

Yes, that's true...

It's a shame that many websites indeed need your desktop browser to "lie" that it's actually a mobile browser to get "better experience".

It's especially stupid, when it could instead ask if the browser supports flash, instead of determining "whether it's mobile or not" (some older Android devices can have flash installed).

I guess in the end that just shows what some content producers want to do. They want to force everyone install Flash. But as Apple refused to allow it on their mobile devices (and they became incredibly popular at the same time), many web pages just had to enable "flash-free usage", one way or another.

But of course only on mobile devices!

Anyway, that's perfect usecase for site-specific settings. Make your browser lie to all such pages that it's an iOS device



Yes, I understand and agree, there are some practical usecases for "why it would be good to have flash player". The biggest argument againist having a flash player on Amiga (or any other niche OS) is that we can't have a proper one.

Is someone thinking of "using open source version instead"? Well, those are:
1)Slow
2)Incompatible
3)Quite likely to crash itself (& any non memory protected OS)
4)Mostly usable in cases, where you do not need flash, such as "watching videos on YouTube or similar page"

Is someone thinking of "Asking Adobe to port it"? Remember that it's the company that promised Flash to be open sourced long ago (nothing happened) and recently killed Android version (which probably isn't that different from Linux/X86 version) - what hope would we have in convincing them, when they decide that Android isn't worthy enough?

I don't see the point of Flash; I turn it off on those machines that do have it (eg. Windows boxes). It seems to be used just for advertising and as a Digital Restrictions Management scheme for streaming video.

@Kicko

A Firefox shumway extension is available. Don't know if works with Timberwolf. Maybe some x1000 owner could test this

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Shumway is not compatible with Firefox 4.01(Timberwolf)
I can download it but not install it

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@Jupp3

Quote:

Remember, such a popular page absolutely must be usable with iOS devices, which means it must be 100% usable without Flash.

They are not. Facebook works on OWB it it doesnt work on Safari nor Chrome on iPad. It doesnt work on my Samsung S3 either. Instead you have to download (free) application to your mobile and use it instead.

It is same with online banking (that crappy Danish corporation still using Java), YouTube and many other services. They dont work on browsers on mobiles but offer an application you can download and install for free.

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@itix

Actually, I have seen flash things running on the S3 without using separate applications. Same for youtube, although the application did make it more usable.

It was my understanding that youtube had mostly gone over to html5, but my partner was using her ipad to view things, and no youtube video worked, along with half of the other video and streaming sites claiming to need an "html5" capable browser.

This said though, flash is horrendously slow these days (and my machine is no slouch). Most flash games are just awful to play (and not just because they are truly awful games to begin with ).

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@_Steve_

For html5 you also need support for the video codecs used. This is currently a HUGE problem, as there's no way for a server to check which codecs a browser supports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#Browser_support

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@itix

Quote:

itix wrote: @Jupp3 Quote: Remember, such a popular page absolutely must be usable with iOS devices, which means it must be 100% usable without Flash. They are not. Facebook works on OWB it it doesnt work on Safari nor Chrome on iPad. It doesnt work on my Samsung S3 either. Instead you have to download (free) application to your mobile and use it instead.

I can go on m.facebook without problems from my Xperia phone's browser and it works, even though it keeps nagging you with the "invite" to download the client.

HTML5 video is a "false" standard (as is the rest of HTML) 'cause you have to deal with the codecs' problem...

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@olegil

At least, the page can specify a list of sources (of different formats) and the browser will pick the one(s) it supports.

And anyway, it's no problem to us at all... We can just support all the video codecs, and that's it. Odyssey supports h264, theora, webm and all the related audio codecs as well.

Last edited by Fab on 12-Apr-2013 at 09:10 AM.