Any solutions for this? Seems a simple thing to do but I've been banging my head off a brick wall for 3 days now!

I want to copy my Work: partition from my A1XE to my Mac Mini as both a back-up and to have access to my data on my MorphOS machine.

There is around 70 GB of data.

First I tried moving my Work disk to a USB-IDE adapter and reading with MorphOS, sadly it's SFS which is not compatible between MOS and OS4 apparently.

I have a spare 50GB disk in my A1XE as a scratch disk, try to reformat this as FFS in MediaToolBox, even though I delete the partition that exists and try to make a new one and save to disk, OS4 just ignores this. I tried maybe 20 times and the disk is just the same as it was, no files gone and still SFS!

Next method, let's try FTP. I set up A-FTP_Server on OS4 and try Transfer (included with latest MorphOS 3.2), highlight all the files, click Receive and wait.... several hours later it's still showing "Building File List". After a few hours I give up and install AmiTradeCenter, this starts to work but then gets to directories with more than a few hundred files in and it just goes crazy scanning them, showing Bytes to transfer and going into minus numbers, then the file counter just goes up into the millions and the system locks up, tried various version numbers 1.3, 1.4, version on Aminet from 2012 too.

Thought I'd try Transfer again, left it from 1am until 2pm today, so 13 hours and still not transferred one file, just "Building File List".

I decide to try USB drive, sadly my A1XE has always been flaky with USB 2.0 and my Apple keyboard, so I use a PS2 mouse/kb and enable USB 2.0, plug in a 500 GB external drive try to copy them that way, it copies around 10 files and then just stalls. Reboot, try again, same thing. Try going back to usb 1.1, first attempt I get USB Babble Error, reboot try again, copies 5 files and system locks up.

Any other ideas? Backing up my system or moving a few files should not be this much hard work!

Last edited by danwood on 31-May-2013 at 02:51 PM.
Last edited by danwood on 31-May-2013 at 02:50 PM.

@danwood

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First I tried moving my Work disk to a USB-IDE adapter and reading with MorphOS, sadly it's SFS which is not compatible between MOS and OS4 apparently.

are you sure you are formatting the partition as SFS/0 and not SFS/2? as i mentioned on facebook this is what i do when i want to transfer files between my AOS and MOS environments. works great, actually.

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I have a spare 50GB disk in my A1XE as a scratch disk, try to reformat this as FFS in MediaToolBox, even though I delete the partition that exists and try to make a new one and save to disk, OS4 just ignores this. I tried maybe 20 times and the disk is just the same as it was, no files gone and still SFS!

ok. so you create the new partition in media toolbox, save the changes, and then cold reboot the system. then, once you've mounted the partition, you need to reformat using the 'quick format' option in workbench. was this the procedure you followed and somehow the files are still there, even after the format?! if so, that's gotta be the most significant bug i've seen in a long while.

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I decide to try USB drive, sadly my A1XE has always been flaky with USB 2.0 and my Apple keyboard, so I use a PS2 mouse/kb and enable USB 2.0, plug in a 500 GB external drive try to copy them that way, it copies around 10 files and then just stalls. Reboot, try again, same thing. Try going back to usb 1.1, first attempt I get USB Babble Error, reboot try again, copies 5 files and system locks up. Any other ideas? Backing up my system or moving a few files should not be this much hard work!

what USB2 PCI card do you use in your XE? mine has always been fairly rock-solid after purchasing one with an NEC microcontroller.

if worse comes to worse, do you have envoy? i've used that in the past to copy between my pegasos and SAM; if it runs under MOS as well as it does under OS4, that might be an option worth considering.

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@danwood

I'd use some HD (internal or USB) and format it to some 68k filesystem which works on both for sure (SFS 68k or PFS3). And I'd use custom filesystem identifier which doesn't mess up with anything else. For example SFS\05 probably isn't used by anything else yet ;) And remember to save the filesystem on that particular disk's RDB.

I'd avoid FTP and PC filesystems etc, because you'll lose some file properties with them.

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@eliyahu

The partition is already formatted as SFS/0 yeah, but I don't want to reformat my Work: partition, it has all the data on I want to back-up.

Mediatoolbox sees the changes I last made when I open it, but they're just not showing on the drive! Very odd, I know people may not think I'm doing it properly so I filmed a little video, you can see here (sorry for quality, it was on my phone):

http://youtu.be/znZn4f3zLR0

Not sure on the exact USB card I have without tearing my system open at the moment, I've tried two different ones with the same symptoms though, one was a £5 off amazon, this one is from an old 2001 era PC, it works fine under 1.1 but 2.0 crashes a lot.

Ranger says it's a VIA Technologies 0X1106 VT82xxxxx controller.

I don't have envoy no, is there anywhere to get the software for OS4/MOS now?

@jPV

Yeah I thought I'd just reformat my 50GB IDE disk as FFS and then plug it into my mac mini via a USB to IDE converter, but it won't seem to change file system. I may have a spare IDE hard disk in my PS2 actually, I could give that a go see if that's any easier.

@danwood

You could also try to make partitions on that Mac mini. I've made several disks and other devices to Amiga filesystems (SFS mainly) with MorphOS and devices connected in USB. I'm not sure if FFS is good option though? I think there are some native FFS implementations too and don't know if they're still compatible? And very old FFS also has short filenames etc annoying :)

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@jPV

I can format a USB drive ok but problem is OS4 doesn't want to copy much to it without stalling/locking up, I've never had much luck with the OS4 USB stack, it's always been very flaky for me. poseidon on MorphOS is a lot better imho, but I need to get the files off OS4 somehow, that seems to be the stumbling block.

@danwood

I meant to format that IDE HD with that adapter.. and then put it back.

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@jPV

Aaaahhh nice idea! Hadn't thought of that, will have a go!

@danwood

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The partition is already formatted as SFS/0 yeah, but I don't want to reformat my Work: partition, it has all the data on I want to back-up.

and the MOS machine can't mount that SFS/0 partition? that's really unexpected. it works for me. could it be something be something to do with the block size? is there a MOS expert out there who can help? MOS should be able to mount that SFS/0 partition with no issues.

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Not sure on the exact USB card I have without tearing my system open at the moment, I've tried two different ones with the same symptoms though, one was a £5 off amazon, this one is from an old 2001 era PC, it works fine under 1.1 but 2.0 crashes a lot. Ranger says it's a VIA Technologies 0X1106 VT82xxxxx controller.

if you're planning on using your XE in future, you might want to bring this up over on support.amigaos.net and let them know your problems. maybe it's due to a flaw on the XE, but even so, you shouldn't be getting crashes trying to copy files.

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I don't have envoy no, is there anywhere to get the software for OS4/MOS now?

i bought mine off of ebay, actually, and applied the v3.1 patch from aminet. it may be available on sites offering abandonware. but i'd check with a MOS user to see if its compatible first.

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@eliyahu

Ah so MOS should be able to see an SFS/00 disk without extra drivers etc.? (I have stock 3.2 on my mini at the moment).

That is odd then, maybe it doesn't like my IDE to USB adapter... although it just show up as recognised when I plug it in. Seems I need to investigate this a bit more then.

Yeah I've had USB issues for years on OS4, to be honest I only ever use mouse/kb on it so it doesn't really bother me in day to day use, but at times like this it does.

Last edited by danwood on 31-May-2013 at 03:52 PM.

@danwood

Does MTB know what is the last drive? It doesn't tell of any changes?

Same for MOS. Do you need to run HDToolbox for it to detect drive?

Anorher tip for USB is to try formatting a stick as SFS. Fast and Amiga compatible.

As to your USB2 card. Yeah if it has a VIA USB2 chipset it's likey to make OS4 go buggy. It just doesn't like VIA chipsets!

Your Ranger info is cut short. Is it a 0x3104 device? If so what revision? 0x63 breaks and 0x65 doesn't work here either except in Linux. So OS4 has some bug stopping it working with VIA USB chipsets! Funny since the A1 has VIA USB1.1 on board.

Also, did you try setting up FTP server on MOS and sending it via PFTP?

Last edited by Hypex on 31-May-2013 at 03:59 PM.

@Hypex

MTB sees the drive yeah and it remembers the changes I last made, but they just do not seem to be seen by the drive, very strange! It just sees it as normal on boot.

Yeah I did format a 500GB USB drive as SFS but still got crashes, maybe my USB card it to blame then as it has VIA chipset.

Here's screenshots from Ranger:

http://imgur.com/a/rOT0E#0

I can get a new USB card then, any suggestions?



I haven't tried that method of FTP yet no.

@danwood

Install and configure this http://aminet.net/package/comm/net/NetFS

It is 68k, but it works on OS4 and I belive it works on MorphOS also. It is surprisingly fast way to transfer files from OS4 machine to OS3.9 machines. 250kb/sec Transferring files between 68k amigas is only 20-30kb/sec

Using is simple 192.168.0.21 work work_1

work_1 can be any name you wish. Icon of mounted hard drive will appear to your desktop as a name you given to it ie. work_1

You need to make amiTCP/bin folders and assings to them

It should be faster between PPC machines.

Last edited by utri007 on 31-May-2013 at 04:29 PM.
Last edited by utri007 on 31-May-2013 at 04:28 PM.

the problem you are facing might be due to the implementation and recognition of high capacity HD ?
AFAIK AOS uses NSD whereas MOSuses TD64 (or the other way around).

@danwood

MorphOS should mount SFS disks automatically. I am using IDE to USB adapter to mount my old Amiga disks from A1200 era and those disks are SFS formatted.

Can you find your harddisks using Mounter tool in MorphOS?

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@lionstorm

It doesnt matter when transfering harddisk to another machine.

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