What are the pros and cons of each in your eyes? To me they all have their weaknesses and various pros.

Windows is heavy, expensive...

Linux is complicated

Mac is expensive

Amiga doesn't have all popular technologies yet eg Flash

Last edited by Al4 on 31-Dec-2008 at 11:19 PM.

@Al4

Quote:

Windows is heavy, expensive...

Hanging on to XP here, works fine as a gaming platform.
Heavy, yes, but dunno if it is that expensive, especially if you buy a bundle with pc with Windows included.

Quote:

Linux is complicated

Dunno if it is that complicated, try Knoppix and everything works "out of the box".

Quote:

Mac is expensive

Yes, but so is Amiga.
Anyway, imho OSX is quite "boring". Very good and stable desktop OS, but boring if you are used to Linux


Quote:

Amiga doesn't have all popular technologies yet eg Flash

Yes, Amiga lacks Java, good Flash, and, and, but the OS is fun though

_________________
Site admins are people too..pooff!

@Al4
This has been done to death in many threads, but:

Amiga doesn't have:
remotely modern hardware
remotely sanely priced hardware
decent graphics support or drivers
USB2
firewire
BlueRay
hardware with gigabit ethernet (there is an alpha driver out there on OS4Depot, though)

A browser than can compare favorably to FireFox, Safari, Konqueror etc (better than it used to be, but, still valid)
Any Office software that's compatible with what is sadly but truly, the only standard that matters - MS Office, nor OpenOffice port.
Ability to play DivX AFAIK
Reasonably decent DVD authoring software
IM client that can compare well to pidgin or Adium.
Proper VOIP/SIP client
Java
Eclipse
Modern image editing software
Non linear video editing software
Any modern games whatsoever, except for a small handful of ok SDL titles, or Battle of Wesnoth (SDL game, but very nice game)
modern apache, php, MySQL, Samba, etc.
SMP - virtually every system sold today has multiple CPU cores, excepting netbooks and embedded use. no can do today on AOS.

More importantly, the majority of things that *have* been ported to OS4, most people don't manage to merge the changes back into the code's mainline, so we generally get some one-off ports that are old, never picking up fixes from the main codebase (like apache, MySQL, etc).

There's a 'start,' anyways.

_________________
Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

@Al4

Windows is not that expensive I don't think.

Linux Mint ( http://www.linuxmint.com/ ) is not that complicated.

Amiga is the most expensive of all PLUS as you say its missing many essential technologies. Amiga has nothing going for it in the mainstream at the moment. Its in hobby OS territory only right now.

Last edited by fairlanefastback on 01-Jan-2009 at 12:01 AM.

_________________
Pegasos2 G3 running AOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.0
Amikit user, tinkering with Icaros VM (AROS)
EFIKA owner
Amiga 1200

@wegster
I agree with many of your points, but we do have usb2 now. The sam has usb2 and someone recently released a usb2 card for the classic as well.
I also think we are getting near to having a modern browser.

@tomazkid

Quote:

Anyway, imho OSX is quite "boring". Very good and stable desktop OS, but boring if you are used to Linux

When I open the Terminal it looks like Linux. But the editing is a but crappy.

@wegster

Quote:

BlueRay

So just chucking in a BlueRay drive won't enable us to read them? It was too good to good to be true when the same worked for my OS3.9 A1200 when I plugged in a DVD ROM drive on the SCSI bus. Could read DVD's straight away.

@Tomas

Quote:

Tomas wrote: @wegster I agree with many of your points, but we do have usb2 now. The sam has usb2 and someone recently released a usb2 card for the classic as well. I also think we are getting near to having a modern browser.

Working with OS4?

_________________
Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

@Hypex

Quote:

Hypex wrote: @tomazkid Quote: Anyway, imho OSX is quite "boring". Very good and stable desktop OS, but boring if you are used to Linux When I open the Terminal it looks like Linux. But the editing is a but crappy.

Replace OSX terminal with iTerm, much better.

Then use macPorts/DarwinPorts to install whatever you'd like from GNU/free software base.

_________________
Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

@Hypex

Quote:

Hypex wrote: @wegster Quote: BlueRay So just chucking in a BlueRay drive won't enable us to read them? It was too good to good to be true when the same worked for my OS3.9 A1200 when I plugged in a DVD ROM drive on the SCSI bus. Could read DVD's straight away.

Not positive, but it certainly can't handle any DRM protected content, like the main media distributed on BD - movies. mplayer might read/display non protected BD content, but seeing as there have been some CD/DVD drives OS4 hasn't been happy with, I wouldn't be buying a BD player to plug into an OS4 machine without confirming for certain if it will be anything more than an expensive paperweight.

_________________
Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

@Hypex

Quote:

Hypex wrote: @tomazkid Quote: Anyway, imho OSX is quite "boring". Very good and stable desktop OS, but boring if you are used to Linux When I open the Terminal it looks like Linux. But the editing is a but crappy.

It looks like Linux because OSX is built on Unix, making modern Macs Unix machines.

@Al4

Quote:

Windows is heavy, expensive...

Windows is common. Tons of superb software and games.

Quote:

Linux is complicated

Linux is perfect workstation and decent desktop OS. You say 'complicated' but what you should say is 'unfamilar'. You can build whatever you want on top of it.

Quote:

Mac is expensive

I got second hand PowerBook G4 1.5Ghz for $200. Works like a charm. Also, I'm getting used to OS X. New ones? I don't care about price that much. Plastic MacBooks do break, get broken logic boards. That's my real beef with them, not the price.

Also, I can get MSI Wind, swap WiFi card and get myself OS X. Yeah, I don't give a fsck about EULAs.

_________________
OpenWindows Initiative. Port PS3 hardware to bananas. For free. Join today and receive expired $50 cupon from AI!

@Al4

Quote:

What are the pros and cons of each in your eyes? To me they all have their weaknesses and various pros.

Most applications, 1) Windows, 2) Linux, 3) OS X, and last AmigaOS.
Most idiot proof, 1) Windows, 2) OS X, 3) AmigaOS, and last Linux.
Most user friendly, 1) AmigaOS, 2) OS X, 3) Linux, and last Windows.
Most fun to use, 1) AmigaOS, 2) OS X, 3) Linux, and last Windows.

Probably contraversial, but hey, it's only my opinion.

_________________
Peter Swallow.
A1XEG3-800 [IBM 750FX PowerPC], running OS4.1FE, using ac97 onboard sound.

"There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."

@Al4

The thing that annoys me most about platforms is how bad the User Interfaces are, this in my
opinion is one of the most important features.

I use a quad monitor system:
A4000 060/ppc604 233 128mb
CVisionPPC
CVision64
AGA
VLabMotion

OS3.9 CGX 4.2 (this is the important bit)

No matter how many screens I have active on any monitor ; the menus are instant, screen switching
is instant. Heavy use does not slow down ANY of this ANYTIME.


Windows : is so PAINFULL to use, the user inteface is #### and dog slow, normal house keeping
activities are almost impossible to do. Have to jump thro endless hoops just to simple stuff, media
support is totally super crap, " new invisible hardware detected " Yawn.....


Mac: User interface is sticky icky slow and a bit odball, but stable ish, the file system is a rats nest
of knots and loops

Comparing the feel of these systems, the Amiga "feels" about 100 times faster than my Mac
and 2000 times faster than my wifes dual core PC.

I know we don`t have modern hardware, but it must be user frendly or it`s junk.


Wol.

_________________
It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.~Albert Einstein

@Swoop

Anything you don't have in the list, you should make / create / cross compile. Or pay someone to develop. Amiga Native will be the long term goals.

AmiCygnix, an Unix environment for AmigaOS 4
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/misc/amicygnix-base.lha

Link

OpenPCI Development
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=driver/misc/openpci.zip

_________________
Quote:

Easy Pocket Money, Freelancers & Experts Online

MiniMig FPGA, Sam440 Flex 733Mhz PPC, Amiga OS 4.1 Update 2, MorphOS 2.4, Other - AmiKit + Cloanto Amiga Forever 2008 + E-UAE, AmigaSYS

@Swoop

Quote:

Most idiot proof

English not being my native language, does this mean something along the lines of "Proof of Idiotism"?

OldFart

_________________
Life is a waste of time.
Time is a waste of life.
Get wasted all the time
and you'll have the time of your life!

The Apollo 13 Moon mission and most of the other space programs made do with what they had or could afford.

They did not have even the first space designs or vehicles, they manged. Mind you they had funding to hire talent.

If you have seen Apollo 13 the movie good. Otherwise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13

They had to make it back alive after critical component/s failed. Amiga will make it back alive to the mainstream, but dreams of concurring the galaxy are far fetched as God controls the universe and not us.

IMHO, one possible good reason for the galaxy expanding at such a rapid pace, is so to put everything else out in space (further and further away) from the negligent and destructive counterparts on earth. (Hence ensuring survival for the rest of the galaxy)
HeheHehe

Last edited by meet.mrnrg on 04-Jan-2009 at 02:48 PM.

_________________
Quote:

Easy Pocket Money, Freelancers & Experts Online

MiniMig FPGA, Sam440 Flex 733Mhz PPC, Amiga OS 4.1 Update 2, MorphOS 2.4, Other - AmiKit + Cloanto Amiga Forever 2008 + E-UAE, AmigaSYS

@Al4

I use Windoz xp for
----------------------------------------
OpenOffice(my office usage)
Firefox (best browser in this planet earth)
Vlc player(plays any format)

come on you amigans port them to amiga.
----------------------------------------
i use my beloved amiga for rest.

_________________
http://aros-exec.org/

http://serk118.blogspot.com/

@opi

Quote:

opi wrote: @Al4 Quote: Windows is heavy, expensive... Windows is common. Tons of superb software and games. Quote: Linux is complicated Linux is perfect workstation and decent desktop OS. You say 'complicated' but what you should say is 'unfamilar'. You can build whatever you want on top of it. Quote: Mac is expensive I got second hand PowerBook G4 1.5Ghz for $200. Works like a charm. Also, I'm getting used to OS X. New ones? I don't care about price that much. Plastic MacBooks do break, get broken logic boards. That's my real beef with them, not the price. Also, I can get MSI Wind, swap WiFi card and get myself OS X. Yeah, I don't give a fsck about EULAs.

Try the NC10 if you're going for a netbook and OSX, pretty similar to the Wind, but I believe can max out RAM higher, which OSX *does* need.

_________________
Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

@Swoop

Quote:

Swoop wrote: @Al4 Quote: What are the pros and cons of each in your eyes? To me they all have their weaknesses and various pros. Most applications, 1) Windows, 2) Linux, 3) OS X, and last AmigaOS. Most idiot proof, 1) Windows, 2) OS X, 3) AmigaOS, and last Linux. Most user friendly, 1) AmigaOS, 2) OS X, 3) Linux, and last Windows. Most fun to use, 1) AmigaOS, 2) OS X, 3) Linux, and last Windows. Probably contraversial, but hey, it's only my opinion.

I won't argue on the apps, as I think I agree there.

On the idiot proof, it depends which idiot is driving, and what you're doing. I'd put it at OSX, Linux, Windows, AOS.

User friendly - I think you're nuts How many times have people had issues in just managing to write a readable DVD, and other tasks that just don't work 'problem-free' yet? OSX, Windows, then maybe a toss-up, depending on the task, but there are certainly some that 'just work' on a decently set up Linux system, and the better software helps there, as well.

Most fun - totally subjective, so not much point in debating.

_________________
Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!