I have a raspberry pi Model 2 (the one with the 512MB of RAM), and I would like to amiga-fy it. Is there a way to install an AMIGA-like OS (AROS,etc), or make an AMIGA emulator boot on startup, with workbench, /media pass-through (/media is the folder where linux mounts removable medium by default) and automount (removable medium mounted under /media automatically, this can be done by me)?

@linuxlalala

you can install aros but it is under linux (not native) and is quite usable but not complete it is
Aros brodway

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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nczBeJEwups&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnczBeJEwups

It seems that it doesn't work on newer revisions of pi. Also it is armel and not armhf, sot is it slower than needed on the pi. On efika and other more potent devices it flies.

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@phoenixkonsole


Here it boots straight into aros and steve launches some linux apps from it.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=COUrcZat6oc#

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@phoenixkonsole

but i think a native port is quite advanced? there is only usb that needs to be working to have it basically afair?

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@wawa

I do not think there is a native (armhf) port for the raspberry pi. Especially if AROS uses asembly code on its core, it is very difficult (almost imposible) to convert x86 assembly to arm.

@wawa
Yep.
But with nearly no apps/games I like the hosted approach more.
Also you can run p-uae on top of it.

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@linuxlala

AROS exists as native Pi build but isn't usable due to missing USB support (only on PI).
It isn't publically available.

EDIT:
AROS runs on x86, x64, ppc, ARM

Hosted doesn't mean "emulated".
It is as fast as being native.
The main difference is that AROS hosted uses Hosts Audio, Network and Sound API.
So the developers don't need to do drivers for them.

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@phoenixkonsole

P-UAE? But it will be slow without JIT...

@linuxlalala

There's a native port of AROS for the RPi in the works, but AFAIR it's not ready yet (it's lacking USB support IIRC).

You could also try to install E-UAE or FS-UAE in an Raspian installation, but I'm not sure if the speed results will be worth the effort or if it will be successful at all.

@linuxlalala

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linuxlalala wrote: @wawa I do not think there is a native (armhf) port for the raspberry pi. Especially if AROS uses asembly code on its core, it is very difficult (almost imposible) to convert x86 assembly to arm.

AROS runs natively on 68k, PPC, x86 and ARM, but is not binary compatible between the different CPU listed above, just like a Linux PPC binary will not work on x86 Linux box.

See http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=7720&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0

for more details about the AROS Raspberry Pi port.

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@phoenixkonsole

Guys i have the li revision b 512mb ram and it work in a window of linux but there Isnt audio ...
I wrote before is usable and more faster of some other solutions


Here my pi :p
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=41429

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But with nearly no apps/games I like the hosted approach more.

thats the problem of multiplatform approach. besides its a problem of all amiga (-like) operating system in general. using linux and treating aros just as file manager/desktop is hardly a convincing solution to it, especially as aros desktop (wanderer) is not very advanced or even dependable. this is like taking the worst part of a system and stuffing it atop another (working) system you already have at disposal.

honestly as soon as pi port is ready, you need to compile contributions or even extend it introducing automatic build system that will serve recompiled aros ports and applications available via aros archives. if i was interested in pi or arm suppoer i would start to think about something like that.

another possibility would be to remain widely 68k compatible (direct support for 68k binaries) and have 68k as compatibility layer across systems and architectures to provide common widest possible application pool for all of us. but as i see there is technical problems bound to that, there is definitely a performance penalty to accept and there is no consens to do that, so it will not happen.

@wawa
You are speaking to a guy who uses LInux without desktop : )
Openbox is all i ask for.

Wanderer isn't bad at all. You can drag and drop, rename, move.
What else do I need?

The truth is that Wanderer is damn fast. You can see it on Efika.
Compare AROS hosted with Ubuntu and you will see.
I click in Wanderer on a drawer and BAM! instantly open!
In Ubuntu i will wait 3seconds.

So there Wanderer trumps. Pi has slow sd card and damn slow 2D so it kills the magic in a millisecond.

Secondly you can access more HW like different nic, gpu's and so on.
Also very important:
AROS hosted reads every filesystem the host can read.

I am interested in the new Genesi systems.


Ohh. I see that AROS hosted is now available as ARMhf version too. Missed that.

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@tlosm

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tlosm wrote: @linuxlalala you can install aros but it is under linux (not native) and is quite usable but not complete it is Aros brodway

The Raspberry Pi uses an ARM1176JZF-S 700 MHz processor and bare metal programming should be faster than C or Linux.

Raspberry Pi Assembly Language Beginners: Hands On Guide (Volume 1) [Paperback]

http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Assembly-Language-Beginners/dp/148112790X/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1366340211&sr=8-5&keywords=arm+programming

I have the book. The program uses line numbers that you would see in a Basic Program like:

100 OPT pass
110 .start
120 ADDS R0, RO, R1
130 MOV R15, R14

On page 193 the author states there is another book called "Raspberry Pi Assembly Language: Advanced Hands On Guide" which "takes you the next step in ARM machine code programming." It includes Bare Metal Programming and other advanced topics...

http://www.brucesmith.info/

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@phoenixkonsole

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Wanderer isn't bad at all.

there is so much wrong with it i dont know where to start..
- list mode is messed up for years, at least with decoration off, as soon as you scroll vertically you click on a file and its another one, not to mention the window content is corrupted.
- the names in icon mode are truncated to so few characters, its unreadable, you cant identify a file without a doubt, you have to switch to list mode and it is broken, sigh...
- sorting works, but you cant fix the sorted content beyond few icons.
- wanderer is not fast at all except in cpmparison to linux maybe. on the contrary, it is slow as hellat least in comparison to workbench listing the very same content (i have a double boot). this at least improved lately consideabvle thanks deadwood, however not wanderer related.
- it tends to slow down and lock up (i hope it is looking into just as we speak)
- it ignores usual paradigms (drag nad drop copies files from one location to the other on the same drive instead to move them). thats perhaps a user preference dependant..
- the copying is burdened with too biga a dialog with too much info displayed and therefore slow (who needs copying speed on every file in mb/s?)
- in popup dialogs (like when asking if to overwrite a file choices are ghosted as if inaccessible, work though.
- in list mode columns are fixed size (not very handy)
-and, and , and.. im sorry dopus magellan scores quite better as is, even though i am certain one could fix und update wanderer if one would.

@Chuckt

Hope I could read assembly language :)

It seems I should find a better project idea for my raspberry pi...

@linuxlalala

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It seems I should find a better project idea for my raspberry pi...

this depends what you expect. as phoenixconsole said, you can check out aros hosted. it will be almost the same as native, perhaps a little slower, but generally you will get a feeling, i think. now, if you want to use it, the solution he proposes may be a good one for the time being, depends on your expectations. if you are a coder, you may be able to get yourself number of things working on arm. you can recompile arosx86 sources usually provided in aros archives, along the programs and ports, and you can participate in cross-amiga-platform projects, like getting dopus mgellan native on aros (raspi) for instance.
aros is currently no dout the only amiga (-like) solution for pi except uae and this will unklikely change. just depends what you want.

@linuxlalala

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linuxlalala wrote: @Chuckt Hope I could read assembly language :)

The book is for beginners. The programming structure uses line numbering that you would find in BASIC programming so you don't have to learn Linux or "C". I think the concept is less scary ; It is more friendly to Amiga and Commodore 64 users because it is "old school".

If Amiga websites don't allot space to Raspberry Pi, don't expect Raspberry Pi forums to conform to Amiga users. Unless you have a forum for emerging technology, new hardware, etc., don't expect the help to set up shop here. People want single board computers and the original Raspberry Pi was designed around a microcontroller by Atmel called the ATMega 644.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi

AROS and Morph OS may be centered around the Amiga but you can't expect to have the Raspberry Pi and other technology to do the same without alloting space for Amiga users to adopt new technology that is different than Amiga. Until then, there is always Vintage computer forums and anycpu.org