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He he I did not wont do same calculation on MOS/AROS, because I even divided the number by 10, because I believe about 1/10 is app whit a GUI.

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this is not a problem that there is no multimedia applications for amiga anymore but games. in fact there is pretty much no genuine software for amiga and its followups (os4, aros or morphos) today. everything is being ported from other systems, mostly brands of linux. therefore there is pretty much no applications because they are difficult to port (gui, no dependence of platform independent solutions like sdl). sdl games on the contrary are easy to port. i guess of all alternatives morphos is what is still best supported in therms of what could be considered genuine software.

What would you expect with everyone but Hyperion (incl. Click Boom, Team 17 ...) leaving shrinking Amiga market, down to single users and Hyperion being busy with OS?

Its good we can do porting from Linux. In my belief, MOS had adventage of MOS 1.x time when normal Amiga 68k apps went PPC (=MOS), abandoning WOS vs pUP war, but most of newer apps and games for MOS are also ports. No one is far better here, and "Linuxization" with AmiCygnix is advance, not set back. OS remains AmigaOS, we need newer software.

Its laughing matter we fight who has more ports. Many ports are ported to all, even most of ... there are very few execeptions for each flavour.

As far as LInux ports are in question, we should have even more of them, these are good apps.

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Ahh, man... You really want me to sit here and check all of the Morphos-files archives?

P.S. Tried to be smart and filtered the base for "GUI". Unfortunately the "GUIde", "YomGUI" and "GUIdo Mersmann" spoiled most of the fun :)

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Yes that was just assumed it to be 10%, just so wawa be happy.

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What would you expect with everyone but Hyperion (incl. Click Boom, Team 17 ...) leaving shrinking Amiga market, down to single users and Hyperion being busy with OS? Its good we can do porting from Linux.

in which case question remains, what for an unique os, you have to port linux apps to...
well, i do not expect anything from anyone, except some sort of policy, that tries to sustain and expose uniqueness and advantages of amiga, rather than trying to.. errmmm... what exactly??? because i do not recognize any pattern... trying to postpone whatever is to come?

@all respondents

I do appreciate the overwhelming respone. You are all very knowledgeable of the Amiga inside out, but my humble questiona are:

1. Is PageStream's latest available version 100% compatible with OS4.1, and will it work as an out of the box application, or will it need some tweaking?
2. If is 100% compatible, where can I buy it from? Is it Grasshopper or PageStream.com? What about other vendors?
3. If I bought a previous or legacy version of PS, say 3.2 in floppies, could I make that work in my OS41. machine? I have all needed to copy floppies to cf or sd card.

Again, I remain grateful for any help.

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as for pagestream its long ago that i have even a chance of glimpse at it. it was heavily buggy, usability next to nothing, especially in comparison what is usually a norm today. it has not even a fuctional web presence:

http://www.pagestream.org/

so what would you expect of the application itself? as i said, have not seen it in years, but myself i would stand away from it as from tornado3d (whatever the name). there are more enjoyable sides of amiga, you know.. (edit: and they are mostly for free)

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@wawa

I normally do a lot of dtp for product catalogues, business proposals, presentations, etc.

Back in the late 80's I did a lot too using PageStream, PageSetter and Amiga Vision and they worked great in my A500 then in my A2000.

I still have a copy of PageSetter running in my A1200, but it's too rudimentary and I can't port the files to any other non-Amiga system for sharing.

So what is Tornado3D and where can I find it?

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ah, and since the pagestream programmer was in his absence involved lately in a huge bashstorm here and on amiga.org, apparently as responsible not to deliver in advance paid work on aladdin3d (another failed native project update):
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26320
make up your mind yourself, please..

@WeiXing3D

tornado3d was supposed to be the next gen amiga 3d package in the 90ties, at or the time ive seen pagestream last time or slightly later. just forget about it. isnt usable. and if you were content with your 80 dtp applications, they will likely work today as well on your a500 or on winuae for that matter. amiga, os4 morphos or aors has had and still has noting to compare to quarkxpress, pagemaker, freehand or illustrator.

there are some vector gfx drawing programs, one has become free for os4 lately:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2012-08-00018-EN.html
i dont rememberif i tried it, but might be more worth the effort.

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@wawa

Deron is a pretty good guy and has gone through a lot of crap in his life recently. Let's give him a bit of slack, here, as he is one of the few still developing at all for Amiga.

A lot of developers these days make their work available for all flavours of Amiga, or are willing to assist coders for other flavours to do ports, which has got to be the best way to go.

I'm always quite excited about new stuff being developed for our OS ('s) and it's a delight when they work on multiple (and especially all) flavours.

It brings the community back together. I say that as an Amigan whose main machine (A1XE) has been unusable for quite a few months, now.

I've been happy to get my fix from MorphOs, AROS or Amikit for a while, now.

Luv 'em all

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im not convinced about deron's guilt, as i ve expressed in the other thread. but if asked about the usability and completeness of software hes involved with, i guess the hints i gave might be intersting for a potenial user, espacially the software is apparently not commercially available. we do not want to start with aladdin3d5 preorder again, do we?

@wawa

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in which case question remains, what for an unique os, you have to port linux apps to... well, i do not expect anything from anyone, except some sort of policy, that tries to sustain and expose uniqueness and advantages of amiga, rather than trying to.. errmmm... what exactly??? because i do not recognize any pattern... trying to postpone whatever is to come?

OS has few unique features I do love. Full control, easy customization, throw files anywhere and they work, no registry, fast boot and reboot, datatypes ...

True, more unique features are needed, but that must come through OS (and these is equaly true for AROS, MOS and AOS 4) and apps ... its better if we have some standard apps like everyone else. Makes ease of migration and use, e.g. I learn Blender, I can use it on my MINT Linux, Win 7 x64 on job and AOS 4 at home.

Off course, if you can come up with the plan of bringing some big name back with serious project, we would support you, but so far new Candy factory, actual Real 3D, Dopus Magellan II and Amiga Forever, SiN ... failed to materialize. Surely, few good names from MOS too ...

Seems best we can do out of old companies is paying to have some software free and develop on our own - like Magellan.

NEW AMIGA COMPANIES FOR S/W ARE NEEDED, DONT COUNT ON 90s.

And what about backporting RETURN TO CASTLE WOLFSTEIN to OS4 and MOS? Would gladly support bounty for that. Yes, its not an Amigan game, but is great great game. Start thinking of apps like that.

What I love with MOS is that it has some great great skilled people and first did PPC jump.

What I dislike is that they escape with hardware every time. Back in 90s Serbia was so poor I needed to sell organs to get PPC card with gfx and fast RAM, maybe even few organs. When Pegasos II looked great, it dissapeared. Efika looked cheap but disaapeared soon. Hope I will get hands on PPC Mac G4 or G5 and finally enjoy it, too!

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as for pagestream its long ago that i have even a chance of glimpse at it. it was heavily buggy, usability next to nothing, especially in comparison what is usually a norm today. it has not even a fuctional web presence: http://www.pagestream.org/ so what would you expect of the application itself? as i said, have not seen it in years, but myself i would stand away from it as from tornado3d (whatever the name). there are more enjoyable sides of amiga, you know.. (edit: and they are mostly for free)

Don`t make man afraid. 68k version is reported stable, PS has quite advanced in features. Its true Windows version is more stable, but what about people like I that do live out of text editing and DTP (university teacher) and PowerPoint kind of presentations?

WordWorth and AmigaWritter are way older and feature lower, AbiWord is working but slower as emulated Cygnix11, PageStream seems to be the best choice. And it will develop only further if purchased, used, bug reported ...

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A lot of developers these days make their work available for all flavours of Amiga, or are willing to assist coders for other flavours to do ports, which has got to be the best way to go.

With Hollywood even more. And now its time not be old grunchy guy, but for everyone to think how to support each other and progress even more.

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3. If I bought a previous or legacy version of PS, say 3.2 in floppies, could I make that work in my OS41. machine? I have all needed to copy floppies to cf or sd card.

I can confirm that the older PS3.3 works fine without any tweaking as I simply mounted an old backup partition from my 4000 and launched it from there, it then asked for a softlogik and pagestream3 assign so I clicked on the [Assign] button and selected the corresponding drawers from the requester.

I didn't try every single menu and option but didn't experience any issue creating a new document with text and graphics and quitting the program.

On the pagestream website there a page listing all the pagestream versions:
http://pagestream.net/?action=Folders&id=14 showing some native OS4 version but the latest one is only for 68k, though I'd expect it to run just fine if it's as system-friendly as the 3.3 release, but this old thread seems to imply otherwise.

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actually it starts to intrigue me. what if pagestream is actually usable?:P i guess there is no demo version available for download anywhere. will have to dig into all that tons of floppies i got with machines i bought and never dared to throw away to see if there is pagestream somewhere.

@wawa

Old 3.x is, never ones have no finalized version for AmigaOS, but 68k went way better in bugfixing. Someone needs to do the crashes and reports for OS4 version, and no one wants it ...

Huh, in the end I will do it to best of my ablities in hope PS for OS4 will be finalized. Because I do need it.

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@wawa

"amiga ... has had and still has noting to compare to quarkxpress, pagemaker, freehand or illustrator."

Wrong.
From mid to late 90's Amiga DTP apps were compareable to mainstream.
Otherwise it would not have been used by magazine and books production.

Pagestream should be good even today, because it has been in development also during this decade. Amiga build just is buggy they say.

(I'mm planning to buy it anyway, but it's not on my top 3 to buy)

Latest history
"1996
Soft-Logik unveiled the newest addition to its product line; PageStream for Macintosh.
PageStream for Macintosh had been eagerly awaited by many PageStream Atari and Amiga users .
Like other Macintosh publishing programs, PageStream can be used to set type, draw objects, and place graphics. It has extremely precise typography, professional printing, and a rich assortment of features.
PageStream differs from other DTP programs in that it has most of the drawing features of an illustration program, a powerful selection of unique features, and most importantly, an outstanding interface.
PageStream Windows released in 1999
PageStream4 released
PageStream Linux released in 2004
PageStream5 released in 2005
The Years Ahead
PageStream has become the #1 Amiga and Atari DTP program by being the best available. The Macintosh and Windows markets have entrenched market leaders, but our extensive experience as a pioneer in the DTP field will help us succeed where other DTP newcomers have failed."

btw. thread topic should be changed to ..Desktop Publishing ...

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@thread

I've written to Deron and received a reply instantly.

Please stop talking about problems from a different point in time, the -fact- that he doesn't respond to anyone, blah blah.

Thanks.

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