@ Troels

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Not one runs AmigaOS4 which is my OS of choice (now that I finally got my trusty A1 XE-G4 running again). I hate that I need to drag my windows laptop along with me to work every day, I'd much rather bring an AmigaOS4 capable system if it could do what I need (I think it can).

That I can understand (not the use of a laptop) but the wanting to use an OS (OS4) that you enjoy and know is simply better than the mainstream OS's out there...


@ A1200

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The race is lost guys. There is a thread on this very website asking what can be done to increase the user base. Give it up people - let it die with the scrap of dignity it has left.

I've never bought into the race/ resurrection or even "it's dead" debates/ arguments...

Having never had to use any other OS for my computing needs be it work or just enjoyment other than the Amiga, then it doesn't matter to me about whether the Amiga can make a miraculous comeback, or has to compete with modern day computers and it's certainly not dead in my house and never will be...

As long as my miggies continue to function as they always have done and I am able to perform all my computing tasks with them, then that's good enough for me...

Sure some people would like to see the Amiga compete again but that to me is where it kinda loses the argument as what a lot of people describe what they would like to see is nothing more than just another PC/ Mac, so why not just use those instead of wishing your life away on something that's never going to happen...


@ spirantho

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Don't let it die. Let it grow. Let it thrive. Who cares if there's only a few thousand using our OS - as long as we enjoy it, why stop using it?

I kinda agree with those sentiments, like i said to me the Amiga is not and never will be dead as long as it's useful to me, I can't share your enthusiasm though to "let it thrive" as I honestly don't think there is any chance of that happening...

Like you say though, who cares... if we get enjoyment out of using what we each choose/ have Amigawise then that's really all that matters...

Of Course it would be nice to get new affordable hardware that could run, look and feel like the Amiga environment that we all here love and enjoy but in the real world that's never going to happen...

I suppose at the end of the day, it's a shame most of the planet went the Windoze way for both business and pleasure but hey it's their loss at the end of it all, as they have chosen the wrong way and missed out on the most elegant, user friendly and least resource hungry OS that was ever created... AmigaOS... Just think had the rest of the planet chosen the Amiga when the time was right what our OS/ hardware would have been capable of today...

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@Fransexy

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Fransexy wrote: @Franko *I assume that with "pc" do you mean traditional desktop computers

Yup... PC's to me mean Windoze machines or even Macs...

I know the Amiga technically is a PC too but to me it's not, It's the Amiga and I wouldn't tarnish it with the label "PC"...

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Franko wrote: ...More bizarrely to me what's with the wish for Notebooks/ Laptops/ mobile devices to run OS4 on. That one I really can't quite fathom as surely there are hundreds of these things on the market that already do what you seem to be looking for them to do ???

simple answer: 'those' netbooks can't run my favourite OS


cough cough once again I recommend you buy OS4.1 and a proper video card for your classic so you can stop whining about OS4.0

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Spirantho wrote: ....As long as I enjoy using AmigaOS/MorphOS/AROS, and as long as other people do too, and people still make hardware for it and develop the OS, then the race most definitively is not lost. We're just in a different race now - and that's something I'm quite thankful for. Race 1: Windows/Linux = Use it because you have to. Race 2: AmigaOS/MorphOS/AROS = Use it because you want to. Don't let it die. Let it grow. Let it thrive. Who cares if there's only a few thousand using our OS - as long as we enjoy it, why stop using it?

+1,000,000 ! bang on Ian

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Why did I buy the A500 way back and then the A4000 and the overpowered A1200?

I wanted continuation and the XE was so exciting, a fast new Next Gen Amiga.

Snappy WB compared to '060,PIv+Magellan Combo. Something new, Something old from the childhood. Something the "neighbours" don't know a rats ass if I did care less;)

Hoped for more compability to do all classic things faster. Now hoping just to get the XE back to install update 6 for the AmigaOS 4,1;)

It's just fun and puts a smile on someones face. That's why? ;) x 2

(And it's not a pc but the only original Superfast Amy today compared to classics to try and do todays things) Edit: Not the XE but the OS and supported it because I am an AmigaFan. Blow me;)

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@A1200

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The race is lost guys. There is a thread on this very website asking what can be done to increase the user base. Give it up people - let it die with the scrap of dignity it has left.

Ahem. A1200, are you enjoying your computers, classic and new -- having fun and getting things done? Me too, especially my X1000 running AmigaOS and my mix of new and favorite old creative applications that in many case run so much better and faster than they do on my own Amiga 1200.

Why must I give this up? How in the world does my support for and enjoyment of a continuing of the Amiga operating system injur the dignity of anything? I don't understand.

I say let's keep on keeping on. Nobody is being hurt... least of all the dignity of a computing platform.

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@mbrantley

I agree we can enjoy our machines. I love my hardware and software but I don't expect a whole new revival of the userbase and don't think we will ever play catch up with the Windows and Mac offerings. Enjoy yes but we are not going to see Amigas in all the PC shops and supermarkets ever.

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Franko
The only reason you created this thread was to cause arguments as you have ZERO interest in running os4 or any "NG" Amiga system. So the only point is Trolling.

So rather than me trying to explain why I use os4 and blah blah blah (which will have absolutely NO impact on you as YOu will not run os4) why dont you explain why it is you created this thread as you will never buy an os4 ng system.

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@realize

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realize wrote: Franko The only reason you created this thread was to cause arguments as you have ZERO interest in running os4 or any "NG" Amiga system. So the only point is Trolling.

Gawd aint you dead yet...

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So rather than me trying to explain why I use os4 and blah blah blah (which will have absolutely NO impact on you as YOu will not run os4) why dont you explain why it is you created this thread as you will never buy an os4 ng system.

You sir I have no wish to communicate with so kindly toddle off and crawl back under the rock from whence you came... there's a good little chap...

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@Franko

I don't see you as trolling here just curious. I'd take the time to put my thoughts down about your questions but I'm pretty shattered right now so off to bed.

@Rob

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Rob wrote: @Franko I don't see you as trolling here just curious. I'd take the time to put my thoughts down about your questions but I'm pretty shattered right now so off to bed.

No problems Rob, it's just an awful smell that has arrived in this forum again, seems to pop up every now and then, think there's a dead rat stuck in the drains round here somewhere...

Get some kip and answer them tomorrow I'd be most interested to hear your view on the things I've asked...

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@A1200


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Enjoy yes but we are not going to see Amigas in all the PC shops and supermarkets ever.

I do not disagree with this. I do not for a minute believe mainstream market success is attainable. I don't think this has been possible since the 1990s, to be honest. Doesn't mean I'm not greatly pleased that the OS and supported hardware has advanced since then and that theres old and new software for the enthusiasts who are left and the few who have joined.

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@Franko

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Gawd aint you dead yet...

The reason I cant stand you (one of the many) is that you are a low enough person to say things like that..

REPORTED

And as usual, you didnt respond to my actual post which EXPOSES YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE.

@ ROb

Trust me he is doing it for trolling and arguments sake. He has no genuine interest in os4. As a matter of fact, you can go on Moobunny and see all his vapid ANTI OS4 trolling! The only reason he joined this site is because EVERYONE ELSE BANNED HIM. He need attention, quite sad actually

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@realize

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realize wrote: @Franko Quote: Gawd aint you dead yet... The reason I cant stand you (one of the many) is that you are a low enough person to say things like that.. REPORTED

Get a life little man and stop your unhealthy 3 year obsession with me, it's obviously had an adverse affect on your mental health for which you are the only one to blame...

Report away all you want, simple thing is as long as you keep hounding me in your stalkerish manner you will receive the replies you so richly deserve...

That is my final words to you until you seek psychiatric help for your problems and learn to communicate like a normal human being... good luck with that....

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@Franko

I answer as AOS fan.

>What's with the never ending debates you have among yourselves about whether PPC, ARM or x86 is the way you would like to see your machines go.

It does not matter much to me.
But I prefer to have more power than my 060/50 can offer.

> I ask this because I assume (not sure) that most PCs probably run on x86 or ARM processors,

They use x86.
Biggest CPU businessess are x86, PPC, then the rest.

>not sure as I don't really have an interest or knowledge of them but what difference would it make to OS4 if they were chosen over PPC ???

Not much.
Custom HW can not be cheaper, no matter what the CPU used is.

>More bizarrely to me what's with the wish for Notebooks/ Laptops/ mobile devices to run OS4 on. That one I really can't quite fathom as surely there are hundreds of these things on the market that already do what you seem to be looking for them to do ???

They do not run AOS and emulators do not count.
As AOS fan I prefer Amigalike OSs, that's why I would like to try AOS/MOS/AROS on any/all devices.
Mobile Amiga would be nice. I might build one soon, perhaps via old laptop + AROS.

>I think the thing I don't get is that when I read your "wishes/ hopes" it comes across to to me that there is already countless hardware out there that does the things you want, the only difference is it seems to me is that they don't run OS4 !!!

Right. That's why.
And it's not very simple to get own OS running on some available "new to us" HW.
We need things like HW documentation to port a OS to the platform.
Companies like Acer / HP /whatever big company, do not give us the documentation needed.


(tried to keep this short, bye)

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@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: @Franko I answer as AOS fan. It does not matter much to me. But I prefer to have more power than my 060/50 can offer.

Fair enough answer...


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They use x86. Biggest CPU businessess are x86, PPC, then the rest.

So if PPC is in second place so to speak then why do I read so often on this site that PPC is dead, that's where I get confused over these debates folk have about which is better !!!


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Not much. Custom HW can not be cheaper, no matter what the CPU used is.

Again then, if you say there not much difference in the pricing of PPC vs X86 then why all the debates on them all the time ???



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They do not run AOS and emulators do not count. As AOS fan I prefer Amigalike OSs, that's why I would like to try AOS/MOS/AROS on any/all devices.

Again a fair enough answer that I can understand why you would like to see that...



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Right. That's why. And it's not very simple to get own OS running on some available "new to us" HW. We need things like HW documentation to port a OS to the platform. Companies like Acer / HP /whatever big company, do not give us the documentation needed.

I see your own personal point in that case, it just seems to me that sometimes the way some folk describe what they want from a computer is nothing more than a Windows or Mac machine running windows or mac software...

Thanks for your comments/ answers though...

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@realize

Dogmatic fanboi. Would rather hear other people's thoughts than you trying to quash debate.

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@Fransexy

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You can get a desktop operating system and make it suitable for mobile devices. See Ubuntu Mobile and Windows 8

I have no desire at all to see AmigaOS end up like Windows 8 personally...

@Franko

Some people prefer simply laptops over desktops. There are all sorts of advantages, eg bringing it over to a friend, programming under a tree on the African savannah etc (try that with a towerized A1200 ). I myself don't have a desktop computer at the moment, though this is more of a "can't be bothered setting up a second computer right now and am forced to use laptop for work" thing than anything else.

As a matter of personal preference, it's not really anyones place to "understand it". What you seem to be failing at understanding is that even though eg billt wants to run AOS4 on a laptop, he doesn't necessarily want to prevent anyone else from running whatever OS they want on whatever hardware they want to run on. Market rules are typically: 1: What there is a demand for, we create. And 2: If there is no demand for our products we create the demand.

Very often the two rules are combined to the short form: If there is a demand for a product, we can make something similar and shift the demand to what we have made (example the crappy frozen lasagnas with unidentified ingredients. Hardly what the customer actually wanted, but close enough to warrant a purchase anyhoo).

To summarize: why the constant need to mention that you don't agree with other peoples personal preference?

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@Franko

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Franko wrote: @KimmoK Quote: They use x86. Biggest CPU businessess are x86, PPC, then the rest. So if PPC is in second place so to speak then why do I read so often on this site that PPC is dead, that's where I get confused over these debates folk have about which is better !!!

Because what KimmoK reports is CPU business, not PC business. PPC is not used in any mainstream PC, which is the argument referred to.

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Quote: Not much. Custom HW can not be cheaper, no matter what the CPU used is. Again then, if you say there not much difference in the pricing of PPC vs X86 then why all the debates on them all the time ???

Ill-informed debaters? And I find it funny that you ask the guy arguing case X why his opponents argue against said case (yes, it's always good to see the point from both sides, but if you ask the opponents this they will pull in all sorts of theories like "fanboy", "brainwashed" etc, never even touching on the technical arguments made by me and KimmoK).

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This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.