@tlosm

is it this story?:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=019991016114800&category=news
hell lot to read.. just overlooked the initial post. this kind of situation is really a deadlock for both parties: companies and customers, probably not to solve. today there are solution like bounties or kickstarter. not perfect but likely preventing a bit the case, when one runs with the money while blaming others. however for me it has less to do with honesty of individuals. there was too much similar cases, just to name p5 or also otherwise trusty repair service - dce, not returning ppc accelerators sent for repair. its hard to assume these people were all nasty robbers, especially they have done real work otherwise. i see this repeated behaviour rather as a bigger scheme: the curse of ppc, scene constantly overreaching itself with bloated projects, it cannot really maintain and support, neither financially nor conceptually, until this day.

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@wawa

yes .. this was the time when they ask money for make the project...
and 200 in 1999 gave the 150 $ for "start the ifusion project and pre order" ... after 2 years the people become more the 500 if i remember good who preordered ifusion.

500x 150 usd = 75000 usd

when they publish we pay 148 usd

500 x 148 usd = 74000 usd

TOTAL 149.000 USD for only the preorders
the amigans pay for an alfa product ...

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If you browse on internet you will find much tread where people who gave the money for the "kickstarter" and have a blizzardppc start writing about refound ... and start send mails to the microcode solution... after 6 or 7 monts the web site of microcode solution was turned off forever.


im really sorry for this big off topic ... but when i see Mr Drew in the videos ... i remember that days... and become hungry

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@tlosm

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the amigans pay for an alfa product ...

it didnt change much, it seems..

@wawa

... Yes but there are every days updates :)
and for sure this product work need better fixed but work ... ifusion absolutly not...

Ifusion The first emultaor who was not working from microcode solution ...




we are survivor ... or derelict but after 20 years we are here :)

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@tlosm

There is no reason for anyone to be "mad" at Joe or myself. The product was SOLD. I don't think you get that. Not long after initially getting the emulation to work, it was sold. The idea was that it was going to be included with some computer system, like what was done with the Siamese systems.

@wawa

Yes, that is me from AORG.

People had a tizzy fit when I sold the rights to iFUSION, and they also had a tizzy fit when I sold the rights to FUSION-PC.

@tlosm

The reality is that fewer than 50 people actually pre-ordered. This is the reason why I sold it. It was not worth the time to continue direct development, and Blittersoft made an offer that would allow us to continue to develop something that was actually profitable. So, that is the direction that we went. Obviously the emulation did work, but when it was sold there were many features either unimplemented or turned off because of WarpOS issues. These were issues that were going to be resolved by the purchasing party... although we did help quite a bit.

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@JimDrew

Well Phase5 accelerator was not cheap, added to price of already expensive computer Amiga4000, I don't know how many Phase5 accelerator that where sold I have no idea, but at and of the day the Amiga community stayed for most part on 680x0 for years, almost transitioned into WinUAE as sort of runtime platform.

WarpOS and PowerUP functioned more as add-ons piggybacked on AmigaOS, at and of the day it was little that really made use of the PowerPC cpu.

Thats until 2004 or around that time, when AmigaOS4 and MorphOS a compatible operating system whit 680x0 made the transition to PowerPC.

Hemm, maybe you can get 100 to 200 people pre-ordering it now.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

I am not sure that anyone is understanding the fact that it was sold, meaning that I don't have the rights to this product. I don't even have the source code anymore. The hard drive was tossed along with backup copies on Syquest carts.

It's not available from me, and never will be.

@JimDrew

I know for sure that the prepay amount went to Blittersoft and no one else so I won't blame you for the one buying the rights for iFusion not completing it.
I'm looking forward for your retro shop as you mentioned at AORG btw. ;)

@others

Also I cannot understand why on earth would a OS4 version of the software be doable today when it's obvious that it wasn't even profitable back in the days when there supposed to be some kind of market?
It's better to use MOL or so if you need MacOS IMO. And yeah we're totally of topic here fellows!

@NutsAboutAmiga

I think if some one will made an usable power mac ppc emulator for the AmigOs 4.x will be a great selling product :P

@Develin
i have an imac 27 i7 mac too, but the workbench of amiga os is the best ... nothing geve me the filining of it and im a really entusiast of my 460ex Sam...
Plus every time i turn on one of mine 4000 i feel really better

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@tlosm

please scale down your fotos,the thread becomes non readable. besides i have similarly set up expanded machine for aros68k, open and constantly testing different hardware. why to post it?

@NutsAboutAmiga

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Well Phase5 accelerator was not cheap, added to price of already expensive computer Amiga4000, I don't know how many Phase5 accelerator that where sold I have no idea, but at and of the day the Amiga community stayed for most part on 680x0 for years, almost transitioned into WinUAE as sort of runtime platform.

whoever stayed away from that ppc train, namely on 68k, like me seems to have avoided the whole scam and mess. blizzard 1260 was expensive, but it was a value for money. the ppc accels were plain insanity. this is definitely the whole ppc idea that was the last nail to the coffin. got the indication?

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Hemm, maybe you can get 100 to 200 people pre-ordering it now.

please, not another doomed initiative.

@wawa

sorry i delete the photo ... i was sure the site scale it but... it dont

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@tlosm

just scale it down or use a thumbnail. :)

btw, i have a similar machine. luv it!

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@thread

I missed that story (because I already left the market before) but it is sad to read. A lot of people that were disappointed certainly dropped amiga because they were angry. So amiga companies working dishonest and exploiting the motivation and excitement (and ingenuousness) of users has accellerated the downturn and helped to destroy the commercial market. Really sad... and sometimes I have the impression that this is (on a lower level) still the case that people pay just for promises. The market should become "professional" again with the same requirements on other markets and nobody should pay for "preordering" or worse promises but for real products.

@OlafS25

as i already said this is a system failure. the occurences are much to common to be dedicated to personal evil will.

similarly as i remember from poland where we have been repeatedly told real socialism good its only been misused.

the whole attitude of the scene should be reconsidered to avoid future disapointments. as example, projects people contribute towards should be split into as tiny complementary parts as possible. parts possible to handle and complete by single persons or little groups in foreseeable amount of time.

@wawa

for me it is even more simple... people pay for a product, no preordering, kickstarts and so on. If somebody wants to support a programmer (or several programmers/developers) people can still donate. The story from the link you posted was pure horror and only possible in small dedicated communities that grasp at everything like somebody that is drowning. That is inviting exploiting. People should Donate for developers voluntary, support bounties at organisations like power2people with exact defined tasks and buying products (when they are ready). Nothing else.

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@JimDrew

Just a minor problem create a new one

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Why? The market would be so small. You can buy a used PowerMac on eBay for cheaper than it would be to purchase a piece of software that had to be created from scratch.

I don't make things unless the market will bare tens of thousands of customers. It's the only way to recoup R&D costs.