@Birbo

I will not try to stop you , just saying that you should not have too high hopes

@OlafS25

i agree, but i call it fanatism and our world is sick of that.

_________________

@AmigaBlitter

I want not become personal so do not understand me wrong...

Hyperion (and at least partially the MOS-Team) are commercial, they want to make money (with updates/new licenses). You are a AOS4 user I assume? The user (buyer) has the power to decide what he spends his money for. Is it not part of the problem that f.e. Hyperion knows for sure that all users (that are left) stick to AmigaOS regardless what are the alternatives and would feel more pressure if they know that people will try out and even buy f.e. a powerbook with MorphOS or a netbook/notebook with AROS if they do not deliver? Part of the problem is that all seems to be in concrete, a AmigaOS user/developer keeps a AmigaOS user/developer ... whatever happens. No common market, no real competition... (the same can of course be said for other flavors)

Last edited by OlafS25 on 29-May-2013 at 09:57 AM.

edit : double post.

Last edited by SoundSquare on 29-May-2013 at 09:56 AM.

_________________

@SoundSquare

"fanatism" is a hard word here, I had called it "emotional" but some users (and even some developers) are certainly fanatic.

Last edited by OlafS25 on 29-May-2013 at 10:04 AM.

@SoundSquare

Quote:

MorphOS is years ahead OS4

First, i completely disagree. Second, this is the kind of statements that generate division. So, please, don't tell me that your OS is better than mine.

Major point of my very personal complains (but i clearly see that many agreed with me), is that after several years, you have moved very few steps forward, and this include AMIGAOS, AROS, and MOS.

_________________
retired

@AmigaBlitter

As I said you are a AOS4 user propably... Hyperion is commercial so you can make pressure on Hyperion by your decisions. Have you ever even thought about potential alternatives or is your only choice something that is based on AmigaOS? There is no common working market because most user stick to one solution without even looking on alternatives.

Last edited by OlafS25 on 29-May-2013 at 10:10 AM.

@AmigaBlitter

When I feel down like this, nothing can beat looking at a nice picture of a disappointed horse!

_________________
The Rear Window blog

AmigaOne X5000/020 @ 2GHz / 4GB RAM / Radeon RX 560 / ESI Juli@ / AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition
SAM440ep-flex @ 667MHz / 1GB RAM / Radeon 9250 / AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition

@Trixie

Rotfl!!!

You made my day, Daniel

_________________
retired

@OlafS25

To myself... no answer is a answer too

@AmigaBlitter

Quote:

to tell the truth ... not a little. It's 2013, but i don't see a proper Amiga rebirth, as we hoped years ago.

The void that the amiga computers filled when they were introduced is not there anymore, so any rebirth would be in a new field in computing, most likely Amiga OS 4.x will be one among many Oses.

Quote:

I know that I'll probably go to meet controversy, someone will get annoyed and say: here's another early morning complaint. Btw, I feel I must say a few things, in the hope to spuring someone to work even harder (though probably already doing).

Actually it would be nice if people would just say what they would like, and not complain about what choices that some take in their work with OS 4 and Amiga NG, the best way to have any influence on what is happening is to state what you wish for, and accept that not all wishes come true.

Quote:

1) The os still freeze here and there (after updates improving, but still freeze a lot)

Thats what happens when you dont have memory protection, you should try to notice what programs you run when it happens and try to avoid those programs.

Quote:

2) We do not really have (and we really need) to low cost hardware

With the Amiga NG market as it is today, theres simply not enough volume in sales to support large production runs and there by lower prices.

Quote:

3) Laptop, netbook or notebook?

Whatever already exist or is introduced in the future, what do you think is the best choice of pertable hardware?.

Quote:

4) We do not have a decent browser yet

What do you expect from a decent browser ?, Timberwolf seems decent enough already.

Quote:

5) The graphic still very slow in many areas (can not even run properly in dosbox game or an emulated Amiga game)

3D is still a work in progress, and emulation is slower then running on the original hardware.

Quote:

6) The community still divided

Thats not going to change before people realise that you dont need to #### talk the other OSes, to support your own choice of OS, the infighting serves no purpose anymore, there is simply to little to gain as things are today.

Quote:

7) Amiga is loosing His own personality

Amiga is getting old and need to find a new purpose in life, a thing we all can help him with.

Quote:

8) ... 9) ... ...

Quote:

Do not get angry with me, it's a morning rant

Atleast you have the courage and will to speak your mind.

_________________

@AmigaBlitter

I'm just enjoying whats out their, I'm really pleased I joined the OS4 world and enjoying my X1000, I admit I had hope for some more progress in some of the areas you out lined but what we have so far I am more than enjoying and due to other interest and work life getting busier I only really have time to check out some of the stuff that comes out now, my meaning is if it got any busier in the amiga world I'm sure I miss stuff.

I think if what's been promised get delivered I will be pretty happy with Os4 experiences, and that is Timberwolf improvements, native office app, multi core and updated graphics support to speed up everything (even if its slightly) and I will be pretty happy.

Then there Aros which i see continues to get better and better (boots on the Pi natively now so for £30 you could get a amiga experience so no excuse any more really to not try out a ng amiga type system!)

the only thing I would like to see on all Amiga platform is more original apps like Hollywood being made, I would love to see say a new game making program like backbone on the new amigas or video editing program, etc but I understand we are a small market and each market is doing what it can with what resource they have to try and improve things and more power to the people who arnt giving up on the dream.

_________________
AmigaNG, YouTube, LeaveReality Studio

@AmigaBlitter

Quote:

First, i completely disagree. Second, this is the kind of statements that generate division. So, please, don't tell me that your OS is better than mine.

I totally agree with you on that, still using the same old pointless arguments is not going to change anything.

_________________

@SlayeR__

Now isnt possible have a big market amiga ... a reborn isnt possible.
there isnt the necessary drivers for have everyhing working 100% (see warp3d)
the os is not mem protected...
The current os is too much difficult for the "new nerd" users in the world.
the hardware is too much expensive ... sed but true i have a mini pc android dual core Arm Cortex A9 40$ more powerful of my Sam 460 1200 Euros
But Amiga Os ... is Amiga os ... love it , hate it ... nothing gave me the wonderful feeling of it

_________________

Hmm, for what we are using computers?!

home-computer: games, ...

personal-computer: programs, games, ...

today-computer: internet, programs, games, ...

Now the question is, for what are we going to use
the computer in the future?!

future-computers: ??????, internet, programs, games, ...

_________________
A1G3-SE + OS4.1 u1 iso (x2)

Home automation?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_automation

_________________
A1G3-SE + OS4.1 u1 iso (x2)

@tlosm

Quote:

Now isnt possible have a big market amiga ... a reborn isnt possible.

Agree, the niche that AmigaOS filled just isnt there anymore, what opportunities there is is beyond my imagination.

Quote:

there isnt the necessary drivers for have everyhing working 100% (see warp3d)

Things like that is hopefully being worked on by someone.

Quote:

the os is not mem protected...

That is a work in progress.

Quote:

The current os is too much difficult for the "new nerd" users in the world.

Why should any new nerd use any AmigaOS today?.

Quote:

the hardware is too much expensive ... sed but true i have a mini pc android dual core Arm Cortex A9 40$ more powerful of my Sam 460 1200 Euros

I know its more expensive, but it is the only new hardware running OS 4.

Quote:

But Amiga Os ... is Amiga os ... love it , hate it ... nothing gave me the wonderful feeling of it

I know what you mean, but OS 4 is not going to be sustainable based on nostalgia alone, why should anyone use OS 4 today in a time where the OS gets more and more irrelevant.

_________________

@AmigaBlitter

Though I never imagined any Amiga comeback as a platform whatsoever since Commodore's demise, I have been in your position a couple of years ago, with me being completely unsatisfied with OS4. I started some similar threads, made some bitter comments, secretly laughed with the effort of a handful of users trying to justify most/all flaws of OS4 and finally accepted the truth (and, IMO, you are half way there yourself). However, instead of rejecting the whole Amiga NG scene, I took my bet on another offer. The outcome? My interest went up again, I got a feeling of satisfaction from the performance of the machine and a feeling that I wasn't disillusioned by the price/fun factor (didn't pay a kidney for it). My suggestion, invest a couple of Euros into a MorphOS system. Not more than 300E will allow you to purchase a high end G4 with MorphOS registered. If that fails too, there is always Aros, where you might find what you are looking for. You aren't gonna lose any serious amount of money or time by taking your chances with these offers, imho :)

Last edited by Cool_amigaN on 29-May-2013 at 11:48 AM.

_________________

@SlayeR__

Not only "new" nerd, but old nerd also, as well as professional it people.

Last time i heard the now standard word about Amiga was friday, by a Microsoft employee:

an amiga computer is produced in Italy? "Amiga Still exist?"

_________________
retired

@Dirk-B

Maybe we should get back to the days when everything was measured by how good an AREXX port it had? REXX opens up a whole world of possibilities even for a novice user.

Why would you need to buy an app for batch processing your files when your existing software can do it and you can script the batch processing in a few minutes in a text editor (or even better, someone could make a GUI system for AREXX).

I would think that most software which has some for of scripting system can be modified to ALSO have an AREXX port.

_________________
This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.