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so why has commodore not chosen boing ball for amiga logo from the very start instead of the checkmark? is that another ill decision one can blame on them, even if amiga has nevertheless initially been pretty successful even with such an inferior design to identify with? why has boing ball been introduced as a logo after all went already down the drain and as such is associated exclusively with third party companies defeated attempts to take advantage of or revive what was left of once legendary computer standard? please, think of it for a while.

Other side of the coin is that they wanted to distance themselves from CBM failures also.

Point is Boing Ball was there quite long and looks more like a symbol then checkmark.

Amiga in letter was kept along, usually adding ball or square on top of I.

Might also be a copyright mambo jumbo, but when I do look at OS 3.5 CD it looks way more attractive (the title and design) then OS 3 floppies and manuals (I am not speaking of CD vs floppies but of the designers effort).

To be honest, I failed to remember checkmark was Amiga symbol at all, letters AMIGA written on A500/A1200 or A keys on keyboard are quite more symbol of CBM era to me. Slight edit: well I do remember it from boot screen but somehow moving disk glimpsed the eye more then rainbow cycling checkmark

Amiga History after all is quite reliable resource
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/logo.html
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/originsboing.html
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/boingball.html

While you are right a bit about Escom / Amiga Corp. history says this for checkmark

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Commodore went with the checkmark logo purely for the reasons to market the Amiga's colour capabilities. The Boing logo (Red/white ball on grid) was much nicer and cleaner, and easier to reproduce as well...even in 1985.

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Other side of the coin is that they wanted to distance themselves from CBM failures also.

distance themselves from failures while not even being able to compete with these failures and knowing it?

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Point is Boing Ball was there quite long and looks more like a symbol then checkmark.

it may be disputable, but the checkmark fulfills the criteris of a good logo pretty well. not a very great logo but a good one. in fact it is better than it looks like at the first glance. it means something, like "done" or "accomplished". its so simple, a kid can draw and recognize it. it seems popular but it is unique (as a logo). boing ball is so much less than that in every respect. using boing ball as a logo must have been a result of some trade off.

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Amiga in letter was kept along, usually adding ball or square on top of I.

it should have been. one could work upon that, but instead they introduced the whole clumsy new type, looking cheap and only with little reference to the original one. the tilted square was the best part of it, it could even make a good logo as such, instead of the ball.

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Might also be a copyright mambo jumbo, but when I do look at OS 3.5 CD it looks way more attractive (the title and design) then OS 3 floppies and manuals (I am not speaking of CD vs floppies but of the designers effort).

of course older designs tend to look more dated while time passes, which doesnt mean they are worse than the later ones. also the fashion comes and goes. the amiga design and corporate identity (if such have existed) could have been updated to reflect this pregress while keeping its flair. it has not been done properly imho.

@vox

quickly looking at the links you posted i must laugh seeing this awful dianetic design, nomen-omen. btw the first genuine logo could have been even better, but i can understand why commodore ditched it. they wanted something more serious and conservative, like computers were supposed to be, and that one was so 80-disco.

and then that "powered by amiga" this really looks kitschy and amateurish. dont you see it yourself? its like christmas card with golden greetings. urrgh..

@wawa

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it may be disputable, but the checkmark fulfills the criteris of a good logo pretty well. not a very great logo but a good one. in fact it is better than it looks like at the first glance. it means something, like "done" or "accomplished". its so simple, a kid can draw and recognize it. it seems popular but it is unique (as a logo). boing ball is so much less than that in every respect. using boing ball as a logo must have been a result of some trade off.

Boing Ball too .. I never loved American style checkboxes / checklists altough they are helpful.

Just an example, together with X1000 I will get that plushy boing ball.
That is something my 5 years old nephew will play with too ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGjNDDv2HcA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTKTAttqi4Y

While I do agree checkmark qualifies for company / brand logo too ...
I cant really say, have the BBall succeeded or not, since we became so small pond.

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and then that "powered by amiga" this really looks kitschy and amateurish. dont you see it yourself? its like christmas card with golden greetings. urrgh..

Agreed

On the CBM style (conservative), its interesting how they promoted BUSINESS machine,while at least for me, C128D, Amiga 1000 and 3000 are only serious business machines done by them - in terms of being expandable and suitable for bussiness of that time, and kind of ahead of competition. So they tended to emulate the serious look Even they got bunch of artist, hackers, gamers for real

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I don't know, but seeing an image of an apple who think of a major pop band from the 60s?

an Apple makes me think of the beatles personally. ;P

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back in 2000 when A. inc chose AROS as the new OS and they completely took over the market from microsoft. Man those were good times :)

Is that part of Somersby`s re-imagining the history campaign?
Well, shame they ditched MorphOS that might succeeded too (and I do believe
was in choices at one point)

And yes, don`t forget the latest RadeonHD remake
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Boing Ball too .. I never loved American style checkboxes / checklists altough they are helpful.

okay, point taken, but commodore was american, so they had american kinda logo. and this is what public identified amiga with. boing ball had no impact on audience anymore whatsoever. (lol) it was too late.

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Just an example, together with X1000 I will get that plushy boing ball. That is something my 5 years old nephew will play with too ...

i agree, on the plus side boing ball might be taken for playful values, entertainment, but this plush gadget, well.. ;)

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While I do agree checkmark qualifies for company / brand logo too ... I cant really say, have the BBall succeeded or not, since we became so small pond.

exactly.