@Nameless

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Nameless wrote: @drstrangelove AROS or some Amiga flavor OS using a linux kernel isn't a bad idea, but it'd take forever to create.

AROS Linux hosted exists for years. There is not much to wait for.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@int21h

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int21h wrote: 2. Kickstarter! While everyone is riding kickstarter wave and get their custom computers funded Amiga community shoould present some of the best project. It's best suited for classic projects, best chance for Minimigs, Replays, Amy Clones, Chameleon 64s to have userbase(s) in thousands. Replay Handhelds, Minimig Laptops, everything is possible now And pledge to X500plus project too

There are enough Bounties I don't see any benefit from Kickstarter.

Interest in Amiga related projects is limited to the so called 'Amiga Comunity', that should already know everything about AOS4, MOS, AROS, Minimig and all the other projects (reading in this thread I saw little knowledge but a lot of prejudices).

During the discussions on AW.net and other Amiga related forums, I faced little to none interst in founding or supporting open souce development of AmigaOIDs.

Minimig is an open source Amiga compatible hardware, it is available for years. With the right support it would now be on a level that was promised for the Natami years before.

AROS is an open source Amiga (API an binary) compatible OS, it is available for years. With the right support it would now be on a level where it could compete with all the closed source AmigaPPC OSes.

I don't see how this should change if this projects where brought to Kickstarter, just look how the X500 does, well at least I warned "TheDaddy" maybe it is better to listen to naysayers instead of brute optimists.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

Aros hosted on Linux isn't the same thing as an Amiga flavored OS using a Linux kernel. Not that it matters, as the former won't increase the user base, and the latter simply is extremely unlikely to occur.

As for Kickstarter, I think the right project could bring in users outside of this community. There are a ton of former Amiga people who simply don't read these forums or follow Amiga stuff anymore.

Defining the right project could be the tricky part. A PPC board that is underpowered and costs $400 is not the correct sort of project for outside this community. An ASIC of Clone-A for $50-$75, on the other hand....

@Nameless

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@Arko Aros hosted on Linux isn't the same thing as an Amiga flavored OS using a Linux kernel.

No it is.

Or won't you call AROS an Amiga flavored OS ?

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There are a ton of former Amiga people who simply don't read these forums or follow Amiga stuff anymore.

There are Amiga related news outside the "Amiga Community" ghetto, there is Google for everyone who wants to know about Amiga. So if people don't know about Amiga and never asked for it, they will hardly pay on Kickstarter.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

nameless is completely right. aros hosted is not what aros relating on linux kernel only for hardware infrastructure support would be. this is obviously also what aros development team members think.

@Arko

My point was that for the correct project, those outside of these forums may be willing to support an Amiga-related kickstarter. It didn't have to just do with simply receiving news, either here, or on google, or wherever.

'Amiga in a joystick', ASIC for FPGA Arcade/Clone-A, maybe even an Amiga Pi .... all stuff that could possibly appeal to a wider audience than those who are active here.

@Arko

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There are enough Bounties I don't see any benefit from Kickstarter.

Can you finance production run of new hardware from bounties? That's game changer and great equalizer. And interesting hardware gets funded - custom hackintosh motherboard, transputer, diy recreations of retro machines, arcade cabinets just begging for Retro Arcade.

There's no telling if Amigans as a community will ever get chance like that again. Why not take it? Time spend posting thread updates could be spend on kickstarter from certain point in development.

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Interest in Amiga related projects is limited to the so called 'Amiga Comunity', that should already know everything about AOS4, MOS, AROS, Minimig and all the other projects (reading in this thread I saw little knowledge but a lot of prejudices).

If so, this community is 500 strong but you can count on 1000 people willing to part with $50000 when presented with compelling project. You just have to learn from failures as well and adjust budget accordingly in the future.

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During the discussions on AW.net and other Amiga related forums, I faced little to none interst in founding or supporting open souce development of AmigaOIDs.

Afa OS became usable 68k distribution? With open source kickstart? Community paid to open the source for DOpus Magellan?

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Minimig is an open source Amiga compatible hardware, it is available for years. With the right support it would now be on a level that was promised for the Natami years before.

Like in this video?

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AROS is an open source Amiga (API an binary) compatible OS, it is available for years. With the right support it would now be on a level where it could compete with all the closed source AmigaPPC OSes.

It's not meant to compete with PPC. It aims to one-up classic Amiga at the halcyon of it's glory, just as FPGAs it would seem.

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I don't see how this should change if this projects where brought to Kickstarter,

Besides leaving behind 20 years of legal hell and unsolvable mysteries of who owns which part of what, it removes hurdles like pirating workbench and kickstart. Add to that recent advances in recreating hardware, both in metal and FPGA and for the first time in history m68k Amiga platform, both hardware and software, became open source exactly as two big markets promoting and feeding off open source emerge.

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just look how the X500 does, well at least I warned "TheDaddy" maybe it is better to listen to naysayers instead of brute optimists.

X500 does really well for €200 barebones pc case competing with full-fledged computers at the same price. I wonder how well homebrew Amigas (GBA1000? Amy Clone? FPGA Arcade? Minimig) would perform in this situation?

Kickstarter and Raspberry Pi aren't magical "fix-it-now-give-us-users" solutions. They do however present us with rare (and probably last) opportunity to introduce completely open source Amiga platform to two very perceptive audiences. In foreseeable future they will grow, why shouldn't Amiga community?


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@int21h


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Yes, I don’t see a reason why this should not work. That's game changer … great equalizer … hardware gets funded There's no telling if Amigans as a community will ever get chance like that again. Why not take it?

There is no unified Amiga community! And I don’t see a chance that will be better than any chance that was passed before.

Specify a project you want to support, most of this project will only be interesting for a fraction of “Amigans” and only a fraction of this fraction will support the Bounty and there is no difference to projects on Kickstarter.

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Afa OS became usable 68k distribution?

The quality of Afa OS is questionable and Off-Topic in this discussion.

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With open source kickstart?

IMR the author has used parts of the “Open Source Kickstart” called AROS but this question is Off Topic in this discussion.

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Community paid to open the source for DOpus Magellan?

http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64 but it was one of the most useless Bounties ever made. Because Magelan is only a tool needed because the Amiga Workbench (and clones) lacks fundamental file handle functions. The availability for Megelan (if ported) will stop users asking for the improvements that should have been in their Workbench.

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Besides leaving behind 20 years of legal hell and unsolvable mysteries of who owns which part of what, it removes hurdles like pirating workbench and kickstart.

They could support AROS if they interested in using Workbench and Kickstart.
This people did:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/5
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/6

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X500 does really well …

Its quality and price is Off-topic here, I mentioned it because it does badly on Kickstarter and it is a perfect example how Amiga related projects will fail.

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I wonder how well homebrew Amigas (GBA1000? Amy Clone? FPGA Arcade? Minimig) would perform in this situation?

Bad, because most people is talked in the threads on multiple forums showed zero to none interest in supporting further development of Minimg or AROS.

They are always waiting for a “leading company” doing it. So if you want someone using Kickstarter write an Email to ACube, A-Eon, Hyperion or to any other “Leading company” that might support your favourite Amiga flavour or application.

Setting up a Bounty or Kickstarter project is not in your hands, these companies might even reject the work you would do, if you have not asked them before.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Nameless

Well then, they have moved forward, my only comfort me that was not a bad idea after all.
Thanks for the link and comments.

@wawa

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however somewhere there might be something going on in the direction you have in mind, and im not speaking of anubis.

oh really?

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