@TheDaddy

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@SOFISTISOFTWARE So for now it's better to have a 9250 than a 4670 if you want 3D?

Yes, since radeonhd cards doesn't have 3d support yet.

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@Antique

I see, so I'll hold on to my 5830 then...you never know

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SOFISTISOFTWARE wrote: and i'm not thinking to replace it with slower 64bit 9250 card, only if i find a 9200 or 9250 with 128 bit memory i'll replace it, but these cards seem too difficult to find especially in pci version.

if you have a 9250 pci you could test it to see the performance of radeon 9250 pci with 460ex processor.
really are you not interested to see this new processor in accelerated 3D apps?

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@Seiya

If you buy/give to a 460ex' owner a 9250 pci card or better to do this comparison tests he should have any problem to execute them.

But throwing money away for an old gfx (that new from Acube's site cost always 40 euro) while already own a HD gfx is a nonsense IMHO

@kyle

of course if you have already a radeon 9250 pci.

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@kyle

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But throwing money away for an old gfx (that new from Acube's site cost always 40 euro) while already own a HD gfx is a nonsense IMHO

I really dont consider having a FULLY SUPPORTED card in your os4 box is nonsense. There probably wont be 3d drivers for the HD cards inside of year, so it makes plenty of sense to me.

@realize

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There probably wont be 3d drivers for the HD cards inside of year, so it makes plenty of sense to me.

Really? You have that info from the developer? Unless you have actual insider info from Hans, that's just FUD.

Far better what Dax wrote in Sicky's comeback thread:

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When will it happen? That's debatable for sure (Hans recently told kas1e to stop his negative long time forcasts as he is not in the know)

Paul

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@Paul

The probable reason that the Radeon HD driver was included with Amiga OS 4.1 for Sam 460 was because the onboard SATA port was not fully working at the time the boards shipped.
This meant using a PCI SATA card in the PCI slot .
Now that It is working thanks to an updated Uboot, the radeon 9250 cards may now makes more sense in the short term for the full OS 4.1 update 2 experience .

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@Paul

This speculation is based upon my experience of deliverables with OS4 related software (morphos too)

Whats funny is the thread degraded into some lame 3d driver or 3d gfx card comparison thread. There is NOT ONE comparison test posted on a 3 page thread.

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@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: @Seiya ". on amigaos4 25 fps, on morphos 2.5 = 47-48 fps or kind. I mean there is something somethere which slow the thinks a lot." So, the poster compared peg2+MOS vs peg2+AOS4. But I think 800Mhz SAM440 could/should perform almost like Xbox1 (after we get up-to-date 3D drivers). ((IIRC, xbox1 has 733Mhz P3/celeron, SAM has 800Mhz and no L2 or MMX, and SAM can have more powerfull 3D chip))

XBox1's 733Mhz P3/celeron includes SSE-1.

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@TheDaddy

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TheDaddy wrote: @SOFISTISOFTWARE So for now it's better to have a 9250 than a 4670 if you want 3D?

Follow the PC way e.g.
1. NVIDIA Geforce 8800 GTX DX10 hardware was released on Nov 2006, while Windows Vista Retail was released on Jan 2007.
2. Intel 80386 hardware was released without 32bit OS support.
3. AMD64 hardware was released without mainstream 64bit OS support.

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@realize

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realize wrote: @Paul This speculation is based upon my experience of deliverables with OS4 related software (morphos too) Whats funny is the thread degraded into some lame 3d driver or 3d gfx card comparison thread. There is NOT ONE comparison test posted on a 3 page thread.

Like my Intel Sandybridge motherboard, SAM460 doesn't have an AGP slot.

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@KimmoK

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But I think 800Mhz SAM440 could/should perform almost like Xbox1

It's more to XBOX performance than CPU clock.

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@opi

In what way? The XBox was made for displaying on TV (which is somewhere between 640x480 and 800x600 depending on frame rate and overscan). 25-30 Hz, so anything more than 30fps is complete overkill and won't be displayed anyway.

The XBox didn't have a super-duper awesome GPU, it just had one that was adequate for the task at hand. I'm fairly certain you could find a Radeon PCI for a SAM440 with better specs than the NV-chip in the XBox.

Other than CPU+GPU, what awesome super features did the XBox have that would mean a SAM can never compete?

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@Thread
The comparison wouldn't make sense anyway for the following reason: Pegasos2 PCI slot (rewired and diguised as AGP) is still faster than the PCI slot on the 460EX, which is not intended for video and it's just 33Mhz.
An "Apple to Apple" comparison is thus not possible regardless.

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@DAX

Excactly. So the only sensible option would be to compare the best you can put in a Peg2 vs the best you can put in a 460ex.

What card can you put in the x4 PCIe slot and have 3D? I'm a bit out of touch with the driver situation.

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@KimmoK

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But I think 800Mhz SAM440 could/should perform almost like Xbox1 (after we get up-to-date 3D drivers). ((IIRC, xbox1 has 733Mhz P3/celeron, SAM has 800Mhz and no L2 or MMX, and SAM can have more powerfull 3D chip))

-The Celeron really outperform the PPC440 by a large margin.
-The NV2A is a GeForce equivalent faster than a Radeon 8500, faster than a Radeon 9000 pro, faster than a Radeon 9250 (plus try to find something faster than a 9250 with a PCI interface).
-DirectX just destroy any non official drivers like Gallium.
-Console apps have allways been more optimised than PC apps on same hardware.

Well, just see the most impressives games on the Xbox/PS2 generation: Splinter Cell, Black, God of War 2... there is a little gap with SuperTuxKart, even with (way, way, way) faster drivers.

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@olegil
The driver at the moment reached Hardware Compositing (at least in house) but 3D is the next step. Rogue is working on Gallium/Mesa while Hans is putting the finishing touches to the 2D part, I guess he will join him later.
The slot recognize and use (up to what's available in the current RadeonHD driver) everything up to the very powerful RadeonHD 4890 (Antique has a 460EX with one in it ).

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@olegil

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Other than CPU+GPU, what awesome super features did the XBox have that would mean a SAM can never compete?

Read what Crisot said + they had software on both ends (OS and games).

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@Crisot

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Crisot wrote: @KimmoK Quote: But I think 800Mhz SAM440 could/should perform almost like Xbox1 (after we get up-to-date 3D drivers). ((IIRC, xbox1 has 733Mhz P3/celeron, SAM has 800Mhz and no L2 or MMX, and SAM can have more powerfull 3D chip)) -The Celeron really outperform the PPC440 by a large margin. -The NV2A is a GeForce equivalent faster than a Radeon 8500, faster than a Radeon 9000 pro, faster than a Radeon 9250 (plus try to find something faster than a 9250 with a PCI interface). -DirectX just destroy any non official drivers like Gallium. -Console apps have allways been more optimised than PC apps on same hardware. Well, just see the most impressives games on the Xbox/PS2 generation: Splinter Cell, Black, God of War 2... there is a little gap with SuperTuxKart, even with (way, way, way) faster drivers.

Depends on the 3d function.

DX11 hardware gives the PC, a single pass process for before and after the tessellation stage. The data storage for domain and hull shaders are stored in the faster register data storage method.

Xbox 360's tessellation version has to ping pong between the GPU and the slower eDRAM.
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DX11 hardware includes native BC6 and BC7 texture compression formats i.e. better resource conservation.

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