@WeiXing3D

Hi there, as no one seems to have mentioned it yet, there was a print magazine called TotalAmiga which ceased publication in 2007.

They used PageStream 4 to create it, the website is still active and here is the link to the page showing how they made it: http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
Regards Draby

@Draby

cool how they praise amithlon, morphos being second choice, all 2005. mm, forgive me, i did it again?

@wawa

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cool how they praise amithlon, morphos being second choice, all 2005. mm, forgive me, i did it again?

So you finally say Page Stream is usable?
Niiice ...

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@wawa

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nice find but im talking rather about facts than about feelings. fact is 99,999(9)% publications worldwide were not designed on amiga. in fact the only professional amiga usage i witnessed myself was very few semi professional video studios ive got my gear from, a cartoon studio where i was surprised to see one or two a1200 heavily used as line tester till end of the 90, and a product designer who used amiga for 3d-visualizing, i bought real3d from. he was bailing out for pcs, and mentioning amiga experience at that time if you wanted to pick up a job in a gfx sector, was a sure no-no.

So you certainly were not professional enough at the time, enough said. Amiga was only cheap system for video editing and mixing.

At the Amiga days surely many publications were edited on Amiga, at least plenty of Amiga magazins.

So fact is you are becoming boring with missinterpretation that Amiga is soo poor now that it must have been useless before.

Now please tell me there is new Amiga 1000x we have all been waiting for, and LCC is about to launch it, and we ll know its Billy Mays spiritual channeling again.

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@wawa

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why should i? after all im not trying to damage amiga, but rather put its usage into the right perspective. also remember that videotoaster was only available in america. i have one set of dsp par cards along with one of two a4ks coming from the university of arts in berlin. not so much serious work has been done on it judging by the content of the drives, but they have invested in it before they gave it away about 2k. another one i have is coming from free channel hamburg. used apparently to overimpose the chanel logo while broadcasting. ive also seen a disengaged a2k with a genlock in artist house stuttgart and the university of art in karlsruhe, where i have studied bought several casablanca units just after i have left it. not sure if they were still amiga based. so yes, amigas were used in the midrange video and broadcasting studios, but if they were as widely used as some suspect we would know it by now for sure.

Yes Amiga brought multimedia to homes and small studioes and enterpries, like that is nothing.

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@vox
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So you certainly were not professional enough at the time, enough said. Amiga was only cheap system for video editing and mixing.

ive been just honest. sure, i was just an art student till 97, just entering the institutional scene, and as one who moved on the edge of so called multi media at that time i had a chance to observe. i likely made more conscious and accidental attempts to popularize amiga in those circles, just carrying my suitcase with an a1200 in and out the studios since then and could share more insights, than the likes of hondo, whose apparent engagement i must have missed except for being keyboard fighter on this site. now that you admit you cannot even operate hollywood, so who is more entitled to have an opinion i guess??

@vox

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Yes Amiga brought multimedia to homes and small studioes and enterpries, like that is nothing.

and you were aware of that? in serbia? because in the late eighties in poland only a very limited elite had an access to someting of the atari st class. i dont know a single person from that time who owned amiga, even though i know many who desired it. when i ve got my first a600 few years later, it was already a decline of the age, a more exeperienced croatian friend artist, who did some technically amiga based projects, told me it was already in vain, and i should get a pc for my tasks. please dont suspect, im trying to plant national animosities. he was as far from it as possible.

@wawa

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now that you admit you cannot even operate hollywood, so who is more entitled to have an opinion i guess??

Yes I can have a mind even I am not a programmer. And I reported that as insult, now moderators will say its no abuse, but it is.

Yes, not only in East Europe. And there is history of Lightwave, Video Toaster, many evidences of this, unlike your own Polish experience.

Well, table has turned. Yugoslavia used to be US for countries behind iron curtain,
but with civic wars and UN embargo became temporarily African poor.

We did have some communist limits, but gladly lifted soon and 16/32 bit era started.
Sadly, 1993-1999 time was very difficult and basicaly a survival.

Yes, since 1994-1996 six PC was ahead with development of video cards and PCI.
So Amiga golden era would be 1985-1993 / 1996 rough estimate.

But that doesn`t mean it wasn`t king of that days in multimedia.

Two reminders what Amiga could in 1992

Please cease to be negative. We have much in common in more or less communist dictatorship past and east europes poorer half story nowadays. If I can support Amiga(OS) and hardware, surely most of you can too with much more ease.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNOrjxYRRfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ef32uNqdIE

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@vox

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Yes I can have a mind even I am not a programmer. And I reported that as insult, now moderators will say its no abuse, but it is.

then stop abusing your report button, im not a programmer as well as you, which you might finally understand from my posts. ive said that openly, you dont even need to seek for a hint, its in the open.

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Yes, not only in East Europe. And there is history of Lightwave, Video Toaster, many evidences of this, unlike your own Polish experience. Well, table has turned. Yugoslavia used to be US for countries behind iron curtain, but with civic wars and UN embargo became temporarily African poor.

im not interested in prosperity comparisons, if you feel serbia was unjustly punished in the balkan wars it is another matter. the fact is video toaster is bound to american television standards, neither you or me (secam) nor western europe (pal) has something in common with. that is technical issue. video toaster could not be professionally utilized here. and i know something about it, ive did an installation about it the subject that went around the world (incorporating 2 1k2 amigas)

(edit: the subject was, establishing different tv and main standards was political issue, as other tech norms but thats again another topic.)

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We have much in common in more or less communist dictatorship past and east europes poorer half story nowadays. If I can support Amiga(OS) and hardware, surely most of you can too with much more ease.

we might have something in common, what does not imply i need to have same opinions as you. i still have enough to support in amiga field, whch i do. whether you notice it or not is none of my business.

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@wawa

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because in the late eighties in poland only a very limited elite had an access to someting of the atari st class. i dont know a single person from that time who owned amiga, even though i know many who desired it. when i ve got my first a600 few years later, it was already a decline of the age

It was pretty much the same w Czechach. Although 8bit computers like C64 or Atari 800 could be bought in special shops, there was an embargo on 16bit technology so Amigas only began to spread after 1989. Still, most people had A500s and used them as game machines. DTP was rarely done on the Amiga here; perhaps some club fanzines but no serious, professional printed matter - Macs, Atari STs and, later, PCs were used for that. Neither was Amiga found in music studios: the MIDI world was reigned by the ST back then, and Amiga's 8bit Paula sound just didn't cut the mustard. When people finally got their grip on (previously too expensive) more powerful and more expandable hardware, the Amiga era was simply over and there were better alternatives.

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Hi guys

I have just installed PageStream v5 [Deron sent me 2 years ago to test on OS4.1 [which I didn`t had at that time] but here is a screenshot of just installed and started version for OS4.

http://www.djnick.rs/examples/PageStream5-AmigaOS4.1.jpg

Unfortunatelly, even it looks nice and professional when starts - it keeps crashng, GrimReaper keeps popping up and drawing tools barely work. It is not [to me] even alpha version, it is something near alpha.

Nothing you can do with this version, you can just start and look ad its widnwos. You can also draw a line and make it fill and transparent and moving objects by keyboad works while moving objects by mouse takes ~10 seconds to respond.

And in 80% cases it will crash.

I am living for normal version to try on OS4.1 as PageStream was my entrance to dtp and gfx world when I was young. Very pity this great program is not at this stage for years... :( The same goes for a web site I've designed to PageStream

This is how it should look today... but site is still never finished :(

http://djnick2k.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d3kwlm3

Unfortunatelly to say - I still can`t find full working and useable program to make my Amiga actually work everyday... For now just playing with skins, graphics and loading sounds. Soon to come.

It would be pity to have cool looking system that can not do anything [youtube video player at normal speed, hd video player at normal speed, movie watching on browser, Word processing, DropBox, descent Tracker [Digibooster is still very alpha]... Filer is perfect but still buggy and does not support drag and drop [as it used to be with Magellan 14 years ago]...

Damn, lots of things is still missing. I must be crazu but I still believe something will go on seriously with this favorite platform...

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for anyone that wants the nice pagestream 3.x full manual hundreds of pages there is a copy of pagestream 3 with full manual and us ebay!

I'm not really counting on ever seeing a functional PageStream 5 (would love to be wrong about that!), but I keep seeing reference to the 68K version 4.1.5.6 being very useable on AOS4.1. If I could be assured of it working well I might be inclined to make a purchase just to get that version for use on my OS4.1 systems. I'd be upset if I spent the money and could not use the program, however.

I checked my inventory here and found original install floppies and manual for PageStream version 2. Maybe there's a discount to upgrade from this ancient version. I'll contact Deron (again... did try a year or so ago).

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"Damn, lots of things is still missing. I must be crazu but I still believe something will go on seriously with this favorite platform... "

Same feeling here.
To me it seems a lot of work before AOS4 (or AOS3.9) system is set up to be fully usable in producing things. In the 90's when you gradually got there, it seemed easy.
Too bad that also I have lost the nice setup on my A4k and not getting on that level on AOS4 yet. (MOS looks like it could offer more with smaller effort, also AROS seems to have a lot of stuff bundled and pre-set, but also it needs work before it would be perfect to use (to be like some perfectly set up AOS3.1+ system))

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@mbrantley

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I keep seeing reference to the 68K version 4.1.5.6 being very useable on AOS4.1. If I could be assured of it working well I might be inclined to make a purchase just to get that version for use on my OS4.1 systems.

This version works fine and is rather stable. Still, it's now more than ten years old, and it really shows. For example, the format support is now way over the hill. Frankly, who cares about IFF DRD2 drawings when AI or SVG files cannot be imported? The PDF export, too, leaves much to be desired in version 4 (it was improved greatly in PgS 5) and certain things just don't get exported properly. Yes I know I can save in PostScript and then convert to PDF via GhostScript but please, this is not what I pay for when buying commercial software!

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@Trixie

"The PDF export, too, leaves much to be desired in version 4 (it was improved greatly in PgS 5) and certain things just don't get exported properly. Yes I know I can save in PostScript and then convert to PDF via GhostScript but please, this is not what I pay for when buying commercial software!"

So, if one saves document in PgS4 format, does PgS5 work enough to open the doc and export to PDF? Anyone tried?

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@KimmoK

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if one saves document in PgS4 format, does PgS5 work enough to open the doc and export to PDF?

The Windows version, yes The 68K PgS 5, no - it barely starts up and then hangs at every opportunity, like someone ringing the doorbell or my dog scratching its hind leg. The old PPC version of PgS 5, maybe - I don't use it because it's rather buggy.

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@all

I have version 5.2 of Hollywood, 1.3 of Malibu and also the new MUIRoyale and Designer 3.0 I wondered if anyone knew where I could download v4.0 of Designer.

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@mbrantley

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68K version 4.1.5.6 being very useable on AOS4.1

Sorry I didn't notice this post until just now. I have been using the 68k version of Pagestream 4.1.5.6 for several years on each new flavor of OS4 (and 4.1) as it comes out. I must say it is one of the most stable programs available to run. Like many, I purchased the OS4 pagestream 5 back around 2004 and got the 4.1.5.6 version for free with my purchase. I am still hoping Deron will come out with a more stable OS4 version 5 someday (soon!).
I have used Pagestream for making simple manuals and PDF documents. It works great. Since it is from the late 1990s, I'm sure it doesn;t support all the bells and whistles available in today's desktop publishing programs...but it was very far ahead of it's time when it was released, and I find it works just fine.

Scott

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@1Mouse

Sorry to say that but as far as I know you had to buy the update to 4.0 so I think there will be no updates free of charge. You also do not get the update of Hollywood 4.0 to 5.0 free of charge, only updates beginning with 5.0