@Franko

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Franko wrote: @fishy_fis It doesn't matter that the waveforms from a well done MP3 looks "next to identical" on a screen (bet it doesn't when you zoom right in and examine it in minute detail)... Simple way to prove it... convert your best quality MP3 to AiFF or WAV, then convert that AIFF or WAV back to the best quality MP3, repeat that process about 3 times and listen to the highly degraded audio quality by only the third generation... Now do the same with a direct CDDA rip converting to AIFF or WAV and voila, no matter how many time you go over the process you still have the exact same high quality as the original... That's why they call MP3s "Lossy" cos you lose parts of the original recording with it but you already know that...

Good explanation.

But there is an even simpler way to prove that mp3 sounds like crap.

Take ur fave mp3. Pick out a kewl sound sample that u want to use in a great new song u r making in Octamed Sound Studio Professional 64 channel tracker for the Amiga Megacomputer(tm).

Now cut out that sound sample and listen to it by itself. OMG. It sounds awful. Where did all this horrible distortion come from!?!? It was there all along. MP3 is an illusion. It is a trick. They use the flaws of the human ear against you. They damage all your songs with crap but they hide the distorted frequencies in such a way that most ppl can't hear the distortion when listening to a song from start to finish.

But when u cut out a 1st generation sample you are cutting away the illusion. And anyone can hear how gawdawful poncy it sounds. Excellent hearing not required.

The way your ear responds to a stimulus depends on the stimulus that came right before. Its an evil trick that mp3 exploits to take advantage.

If u want to download music then only accept
.AIFF (16-bit)
.WAV (16-bit)
.FLAC (16-bit losslessly compressed)
.SHN (16-bit losslessly compressed like FLAC but does not waste huge amount of CPU power like FLAC does)

.FLAC is the most popular because it is CD quality, lossless, perfect, wastes a bunch of CPU cycles and supports fast-forward and rewind better than .SHN

Total Chaos AGA uses .SHN since forever and ever because it is against the Laws of Jay Miner to use .FLAC. He handed me Stone Tablets with the words: "Thou Shalt Not Waste CPU Cycles."

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@Franko


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PS: Wikipedia is ALWAYS wrong, it's written by bamsticks who google the net and find strangely manage to find every bit of wrong information out there, then cobble it altogether & post it on a Wiki page claiming it as fact... Think most of em get a job teaching in universities after that... kinda explains why people who've been to uni are erm... retarded for lack of a better word (wassa more polite word for retarded, anyone, c'mon someone must've been to uni and knows an alternative word !!!, ach... I'll look it up on Wiki) ...

I like the word "retarded" better. But u can always say "Cerebrally Disadvantaged"

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@danwood

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I certainly won't feel guilty about the death of HMV, nor should anyone else who downloads music. I don't miss the days when they had a licence (along with the record labels) to blatantly rip off music fans. Go back to 1999 and most CD singles were £3.99-£4.20 and only had 3 tracks, remember the ruling that a cd single with more than 3 tracks couldn't chart? So if you want all the remixes, you're spending aroun £8 on double CD singles.

The Music Industry that you are referring to is 100% corrupt and rigged.

The Charts are controlled by that industry and are 100% corrupt and rigged.

You could sell 10 Quadrillion copies and you still won't chart unless you pay your bribe to the MAFIAA first. Its in the rules.

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@ChaosLord

.SHN (16-bit losslessly compressed like FLAC but does not waste huge amount of CPU power like FLAC does)

FLAC does not waste huge amount of CPU for decoding. Encoding may be CPU intensive depending on encoder settings and effectiveness of compression wanted.

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@Franko

kinda explains why people who've been to uni are erm... retarded for lack of a better word

Behaviour you show here is just another form of calling "stupid" everything you do not understand. Having an university background and reading your posts I think I'm no more erm... retarded (for lack of a better word) than you...

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@g_kraszewski

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g_kraszewski wrote: @ChaosLord .SHN (16-bit losslessly compressed like FLAC but does not waste huge amount of CPU power like FLAC does) FLAC does not waste huge amount of CPU for decoding. Encoding may be CPU intensive depending on encoder settings and effectiveness of compression wanted.

I don't care about encoding speed. Encoding only needs to be done once.

I only care about decoding speed. Decoding can potentially be done zillions of times so it is important for it to be efficient. In my application I need it to be as fast a possible because [strike]lamers[/strike] good friends have super slow motion 50Mhz 030 CPUs that are quite a lot slower than 25Mhz 040s. So I need absolute top speed.

In my tests Shorten was very much faster than FLAC. Since they both do the same thing, FLAC uses (wastes) more cpu cycles than Shorten.

Shorten FTW!

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@Franko

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Think the most I've ever paid for a double CD album was about £14.99 and the average for single CD album was about £7.99 or less in HMV, so I think you were being ripped of by whatever store you went into...

In recent years yes, not in the late 90s, most big albums then sold for £15-18 on average.

You can thank Napster and iTunes for bringing prices down.

There is a Russian Website that legally sells any song in the universe for $1.00. I'm thinking that beats itunes.

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@Franko

Why thank you. Me and my university degree doesn't really think you're coming across as much of a brainiac yourself.

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This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

The "scientific" evidence of mp3 being inferior doesnt really weight much beyond it being fun to know
more behind a mechanic.

When I listen to a song, as long as it is a positive expirience, I dont give a hoot what format it is.
Especially not if the human ear cant hear the difference.

If you really want to be a purist, you should refrain from listening to music except on live concerts.

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@Overflow

Except live concerts usually sound really bad due to a variety of factors like silly acoustics of the venue, drunk sound man, drunk/stoned artists etc

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This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@g_kraszewski

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g_kraszewski wrote: @Franko Behaviour you show here is just another form of calling "stupid" everything you do not understand. Having an university background and reading your posts I think I'm no more erm... retarded (for lack of a better word) than you...

Nah... things aint "stupid" just cos I don't like em, if I don't like some things (which is most things) then that makes them "Crap" not "Stupid"...

Also in a recent study which resulted in a poll carried out by my psychiatrists, showed that 80% of them don't think I'm "retarded" they think I'm "Cerebrally very intellectually challenged", while the other 45% of them (all former Uni maths professors) said I cant count either...

(Intellectually is Trademarked Fishy_Fiz / Cerebrally is Copyright ChaosLord and are used here without eithers permission)...

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@Overflow

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Overflow wrote: When I listen to a song, as long as it is a positive expirience, I dont give a hoot what format it is. Especially not if the human ear cant hear the difference.

Ahh... there you see is the problem I DO use human ears to listen to music and I know you won't believe this but... they CAN hear the difference, especially when something sounds awful...

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If you really want to be a purist, you should refrain from listening to music except on live concerts.

I take it you're not a big music fan !!!, most bands no matter how good they are generally sound damned awful when playing live in comparison to their studio recordings...

Course if you've only ever heard a band live then you wouldn't be able to tell until they released a studio recording, in which case you may have the opposite opinion...

But for me and my poor wee human ears, sadly most of my favourite bands (not em all, but most) can't play live to save themselves, mainly due to the fact they tend to tour in winter and lead singer alway ends up with a cold and sounds all bunged up & snotery while trying to sing... (you'd think they'd tour in summer instead to avoid that problem)...

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@Franko

Well now I got a dog with a pancake on his head.
One day I will filter it in, still trying to get used to this board.
Getting ready to retire, going to join the loafer ranks and get ready to play with the miggies.

Banned no not really, amiga.org is going to the new side, a bunch of new people who think they know about the Amiga, heck I forgot more then they know. Anyhow it seems all the old people have moved, so I began to look around, and ran into you and fishy-fis.

I also see my old friend Chaosload here. He hasn't changed a bit. Glad to find a lot of the old crew here.
As far as Karlos is concerned he is happy he has all those newbies to confide with.

Man the other day I had some scottish tea mixed with Irish whiskey, and the rumbles began. Never do that again.

smerf

@Franko

Hi all,

Been following this thread on music, now back in the old days the old smerf had a SAE 400 watt Amplifier with Klipshorn speakers, with Bose 901 speakers, a $1200 pioneer linear arm tracking turntable, and a Pioneer $1500 self adjusting cassette player.

Now you know what all that stuff today is junk, obsolete, finished, no good junk.

Now lets get going with MP3, I likes it because I have a thumb drive that I carry about 300 albums on, I can take this little thumb drive and carry it in my pocket, when I gets to work I can plug it into my computer and play the music I likes, when I gets in my car I plugs it in and have my music in my car, now to all you music affendo's out there, why did I say that my old system is junk, because after years of listening to Janis Joplin, Black Sabath, Joe Cochran, DOA, Hank Williams, Thouragod, and many other rock bands, at 210DB

I AM SO DEAF, IT JUST DON'T MATTER

smerf

I think my hearing aid batteries are going bad after that shout.

@Franko

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I take it you're not a big music fan !!!, most bands no matter how good they are generally sound damned awful when playing live in comparison to their studio recordings...

amen brother. i despise live concerts/albums with a passion. once in a rare exception can i like a live performance.

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The only "copy protection" for OS 4.1 is that you have to login to Hyperion's site to be able download the updates? So what's stopping people (apart from their conscience) from simply getting the updates from elsewhere?

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@ChaosLord
How much of that 1$ goes to the artists?

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@Music Critics,

Don't like MP3's? Try here: " http://www.ponomusic.com/#home ".

Chris

@phoenixkonsole

That site is no longer in existence. It is now irrelevant. It was based on an interpretation of the old communist copyright laws: artists have no rights, you just sell everything to the state.