Just curious if its possible to buy any OS4.x hardware other than classic ppc cards without OS4.x?
The reason I ask is because of how easily it can be obtained through torrents. I dont think there's a version of OS4.x that Ive not stumbled across while browsing torrent sites (including moana files).
Seems a bit pointless (apart from classic ppc versions) for people to upload these things if you cant use it without buying a machine that comes with the OS.

And no, before anyone accuses me, Im not actually interested in buying OS4.x hardware, ergo have no interest in pirating OS4.x, I just found it a bit odd that people have been spreading it so widely.

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@fishy_fis

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Just curious if its possible to buy any OS4.x hardware other than classic ppc cards without OS4.x?

In theory, A1-SE/XE/Micro with OS4.0 only. However, anyone interested in OS4 wouldn´t use "pirated" version, post-Update6 updates require login to Hyperion page anyway.

@fishy_fis

So basicly you are asking if it is possible to download an illegal copy of OS4 to use with an OS4 machine if it would come without OS4 ??

Interesting.... and bold of you

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@pavlor

Ah, of course, I didnt think of that. I guess anyone whos bought any OS4.x machine at any time could use pirated updates. I forgot a person has to pay for updates with OS4.x.
Slight sidebar, but I really dont think having to log in to Hyperions site is going to stop anyone who's eager enough and has a little knowledge of the amiga. Also, obviously some people are interested in piracy still, or these torrents wouldnt have been uploaded in the 1st place.

@Metalheart

Well I guess it could be twisted that way if a person cares to, although it wasnt the question.
As I stated though I have no interest in buying OS4.x hardware. Its far too expensive and far too weak for my tastes. If I wanted retro I want to do it properly (and do)

@fishy_fis

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I forgot a person has to pay for updates with OS4.x.

Not only with 4.x:

1.3, 2.1, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9 were paid updates.

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Also, obviously some people are interested in piracy still, or these torrents wouldnt have been uploaded in the 1st place.

Some people just upload everything they have on harddrive.

I saw even AmigaOS 5 torrents (obviously fakes)...

@fishy_fis

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. If I wanted retro I want to do it properly (and do)

Legally ?

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pavlor wrote: 1.3, 2.1, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9 were paid updates.

Only if you bought them...

When I think about it back in the day I can't honestly recall anyone whom bought an Amiga and actually paid to have an update say from 3.1 to 3.5 or 3.9 cos there was always someone around who would be more than happy to give you a copy or set it up on your HD for you...

As for OS 4.0 that was a complete rip off by Hyperion for the "classic" version, cost 70 quid and only one update and not even a discount if you wanted to upgrade to 4.1 "classic"...

Hmmm... I know piracy's a touchy subject but when you look back to the Amigas heyday and are honest about it, how many folk did you know whom actually owned "originals" of any bit of software for the Amiga...

I used to own literally about 4000 original Amiga games (always liked collecting the boxes) but I could never say no to someone whom wanted a copy...

Odd thing was I was never really interested in playing them, I had much more fun cracking them and yet virtually all productivity software I had were pirate copies... seems a bit bammy now that I think about it...

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@pavlor

Yes, also with other versions of amiga os, but that's not what the thread is about so why should they even come into the equation? It was about my surprise to see OS4.x so easily accessible through torrent sites.

@Metalheart

Yes, but what does that have to do with the price of fish?


Seriously, what the heck? I started a thread asking a light hearted simple question and apart from Franko get nothing but ridiculous, implied accusatory, defensive, off topic responses.
What do you want me to say? That OS4.x hardware is shit and way too expensive and that Id never touch it? Yeah, that'd go down a treat. Unfortunately Ive been pushed into that position.
If I wanted hardware that's slower than what I was using 10 years ago, and 10x as expensive then I might be interested, but I dont, so Im not........

Is that a better response?

Ive explained the point of the thread, its now up to you to comprehend. Or stick with paranoid conspiracy theories if you choose.


edit: editted the moderated part of post, as it potentially sounds worse with the "profanity editted by aw.net staff" (or whatever it was) being unknown than the original comment actually was.

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Seriously, what the fuck?

Bad day?

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What do you want me to say? That OS4.x hardware is shit and way too expensive and that Id never touch it?

You repeat this phrase in nearly all recent threads on AW. I have only one explanation: you desperately need OS4... but you don´t want sacrifice mothly/yearly salary.

There is simple solution. Use nice fullscreen OS4 screenshot on one of your PCs. Cheap and efficient.

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Is that a better response?

No.

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Ive been pushed into that position

Oh, poor boy. You're the victim here, I see. And just to fulfill the threads purpose: Yes, you can.

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@fishy_fis

I suppose one could get a used os4 board, minus the OS, no updates with a pirated copy, but would be a way to try it out. Free trial before they buy? Could be a good thing.

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@cha05e90

There's no victimisation here. The "unfortunately Ive been pushed into that position" was simply because Id rather have remained diplomatic, but ended up having to defend myself, which killed the chance of me remaining diplomatic. Thanks for answering at least.

@pavlor

Sure, Ive not shone the brightest light in a couple of threads here in regards to OS4, but that's a side effect of those things being true. Only time I was overtly negative was from people pissing me off (and even then nothing I said was untrue).
Did the truth hurt a little? Also, are you familiar with the idea of rhetoric? It appears not.
And speaking of truth, perhaps you could try untwisting yours?

@Sundown

Thanks

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@fishy_fis

Yes, the fact that AmigaOS 4.x cannot be run on any old hardware does make it essentially worthless for someone to use a torrent of it because if a person is going to buy an AmigaOne they are going to pay enough so that the cost of OS4.x is relatively minor - such people pay that much money for AmigaOnes because they want to support OS4.x, not because they want to save a hundred Euros or so.
I would think the real problem would be with MorphOS pirating, since it DOES run on machines such as MAC minis that can be had from eBay and other sources. In one sense it is a benefit for MorphOS to run on these "bulk" machines, but in the sense of pirating of MorphOS I would imagine it is really a curse.
And no, I DO NOT condone any sort of pirating. Not of AmigaOS4.x nor of MorphOS. These people put a lot of work into these things and deserve to be paid.
I am just sharing my thoughts.

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@fishy_fis

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Did the truth hurt a little?

In wrong hands more lethal than sharpest blade.

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Also, are you familiar with the idea of rhetoric? It appears not.

As native English speaker you have upper hand. You can´t expect much from someone who learned English mainly here on AW.

@scabit

Yeah, its "funny". Despite the logic in what youve mentioned (with which I agree), Ive yet to see any sort of piracy of MorphOS while browsing torrent sites, while piracy of OS4.x seems to happen quite a bit.

as if anyone would care pirating amiga let alone os4, this being able to...

@ All

I don't get what all the fuss is about !!!

There are torrents/ downloads for every bit of software ever produced out there for the Amiga and if someone wants OS4.x without paying for it then they will surely find it (not sure why they would though if an NG machine actually comes with 4.x)....

It's not going to take away sales from anyone, in fact it will probably result in just the opposite, as if someone downloads a pirate copy of 4.x tries it out and likes it then they may well buy it so they can get any upgrades when their available...

Never understood why on these forums people cover their faces or stick their fingers in their ears and go "na na, na, na na can't hear you, cant see you" and pretend it doesn't happen...

It's a fact of computing life piracy and has been since the beginning of home computing, pretending it doesn't happen or not daring to mention it isn't going to magically make it go away and people whom don't want to pay for stuff quite simply never will, so no sales are lost from those people and therefore no damage is done...

I know lots won't agree with me on that but it's a simple fact, Piracy in the main (when it comes to the Amiga) doesn't lose sales for anyone as I've said those people would never pay for the software in the first place and a few after trying a pirate copy might actually end up buying the original...

Tis the way of the computing world and always has been always will be (especially on Commodore machines The Vic20, C64 and Amiga)...

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Ive yet to see any sort of piracy of MorphOS while browsing torrent sites, while piracy of OS4.x seems to happen quite a bit.

Obscurity. Who knows something about MorphOS? Only our small community. And of course there is free download of demo version.

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I was wrong! Try looking for MorphOS keyfile. Sites like Megaupload or Rapidshare will have some results. (most are again fakes)

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Ive yet to see any sort of piracy of MorphOS while browsing torrent sites, while piracy of OS4.x seems to happen quite a bit.

I don't see many ppl downloading os4 torrents, it is h/w dependent. Anyone selling a os4 system just needs to transfer os4 ownership to the buyer to re-register. Just saying, just because os4 torrents exist, doesn't mean ppl are using a pirate version.

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