Don't know how many of you have seen this video on YouTube, but thought I should post up the link anyway for members of the community who may have never seen this in full... quite extra-ordinary now when looking back at it...

My favourite part was when the speaker spoke of emulating an IBM PC to run Lotus123 on an Amiga, eluding to the fact that it still ran at IBM PC speeds when comparing it to the Amiga's native capabilities... bless her...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_619303&feature=iv&src_vid=nWeh9VQyP3E&v=hWiOVa1R4m0

Would it not have been amusing to show the audience of that time a cutting edge 060 demo, I am sure their reaction would have been classic indeed...

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Last edited by QuBe on 20-May-2013 at 12:14 PM.

@QuBe

Thanks for that, not seen it before, impressive and here in the 21st century, I'm not entirely sure why it is that us users of this 'niche' operating system with all its inadequacies still persevere.

But all the same, thanks.

Draby

@QuBe

Shared myself in two parts
Part 1
Part 2

Its a great show what was impressive 1985 and how little software
Amiga had at launch, and yet looked superior.

Part 2 1:40

Why not include older technology? is announcement of PC Task (or Sidecar
hardware XT AT expansion) to make PC software available

Video is included on additional Amiga Forever DVDs

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@QuBe

Amiga Forever Premium Edition features this (and many other) content in higher quality.

There are also interviews to Jay Miner.

Thanks for sharing this anyway.

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@QuBe

Sad, there's probably more people in that room that total Amiga users left...

@persia

Sure, but back then Amiga was exciting.

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@Thread

Nice video. For shear wow factor it must have been a few levels up from today's XBox 720 launch event. It was delivered in such a clam way, letting the computer speak for itself.

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@Draby

That is great Draby, happy you enjoyed watching it. It does leave you with that feeling is why - why did Amiga have to go the way it did :: sigh ::

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@g0blin

Thanks g0blin and Vox, didn't know it had been included in Amiga Forever - good to know.

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@persia

Well, I am always impressed by how many "lurkers" there are - i think one would be surprised at the number of "users" out there still having the odd play with their Amiga's; but no doubts, Amigans are becoming an endangered species...

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@QuBe

Quote:

Thanks g0blin and Vox, didn't know it had been included in Amiga Forever - good to know. Q! "i am home"

Only on PREMIUM edition
http://www.amigaforever.com/premium/
on DVD1
http://www.amigaforever.com/videos/

However, it is also sold separately via Amazon and some shops, for those
who have AF already e.g.
http://www.amazon.com/Amiga-Forever-Edition-Robert-Pariseau/dp/B000FZF09Q

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@QuBe
Quote:

why did Amiga have to go the way it did

I thought Bob Pariseau described very well the reason why Commodore failed to keep up with the competition and why recent attempts to revive the Amiga have been unsuccessful:

"It's hard to be innovative in an industry which has been dominated by one technology for so long. We at Commodore Amiga knew that to do this we would have to be at least an order of magnitude better than anything anyone had ever seen."

This is truer now than it was in 1985. The PC has dominated the industry for a quarter of a century. It's difficult to imagine anybody, not even Apple, having the resources to produce a technology 'an order of magnitude' better than anything else as the Amiga did when it was launched.

@RedMelons

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It's difficult to imagine anybody, not even Apple, having the resources to produce a technology 'an order of magnitude' better than anything else as the Amiga did when it was launched.

Indeed. But I don't think it's true that you need to be an order of magnitude better. Apple most certainly ain't, and they're doing all right for themselves. Richest company in the world etc.

If someone "new" does get the next upper hand it'll be by another road than CPU power, that's for sure.

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@olegil

First of all Apple maintained its place already at beginning so to say and while it did go downhill a bit at middle-late 90s it still didnt lose too much grasp that it still had that beginning estability left.

And I would actually argue that Apple is or was that "an order of magnitude" better than the rest.

For while they werent technologically superior to others, they were superior in what i would call application area.

For thing is, as one Amigan in one thread mentioned that when he was asked in job interview about how computers will develop in near future, he probably lost his job by being right and commenting that he doesnt really see much happening there anymore.


Technological jumps arent more colors, 3D graphics, realistic sounds, talking machine... anymore. We already reached the point of technology where big jumps arent happening naturally anymore. Now better technology basically just means more FPS per second. Nothing else. No new possibilities, nothing you couldnt do with the older technology as well. Just take my PC for example that I am using to write this. I bought this about 6 years ago and this machine was cheap since it was the last machine left on local computer store and he was just wanting to get rid of this as this was the oldest new machine available and after he got rid of this machine, he havent bought any more of these but the lowest machine was better than this.

So basically this was old computer even when i bought this. And yet, not a single game have refused to work and only couple of them have become bit slow with some new games, but not a single one have been that I couldnt have played. Although i have to point out that i play only very few 1st person shooters. or i gess some newer hit games wouldnt work anymore maybe.

but anyway. Old old machine, and still works fine. No problem using it for everyday use and even some games.


What Apple realised was that the competition wasnt on technology anymore, but on practical usage, and thats where they were that one step ahead of the rest.

They made Ipods. From those came iPhones and Ipads and importantly Itunes and Appstore.

Having got iTunes as almost defacto music store, thats couple of billion USD yearly revenue alone.

I kept jumping from phone to phone forgetting whatever was on old phones. But iPhone was the first phone where you actually got some decent games and other things put nicely too. So now when I am planning to buy next phone, I have stron incentive to buy iPhone, as I can keep using it just like my current phone. Very little hassle in cahnging the phone compared to changing into other phone.

Iphone got me caught at exactly critical moment. Its not that i wouldnt be interested in other phones. I actually am. But when I think the hassle by changing to completely different brand. Not sure thing, but I think theres a very good chacne iPhone will win the fight between iPhone or other (possibly even very interesting) phone.

I would argue they were that one step ahead, although nowadays in last 2 years others have caught them. But they still got themselves established, just like IBM in beginning.

@Bugala

Out-of-Apple analysis, I would think that only Amiga 1000 was revolutionary one, and maybe Amiga 3000 in having all pro things in one (deinterlacer, Zorro and ISA slots, fast CPU for time, SCSI ...). After that Commodore tried pure expansion on low end computers, refusing to upgrade to faster CPUs and RAM, ending with deadly slow basic A500+,A600+, downgrading A4000 to 030 model and IDE, CD32 ... Even Falcon offered DSP and 030 at that time.

Simply, Commodore had several missed projects (AAA, Hombre, CD32, Commodore PCs, A600 ...) instead of releasing A3000+ with AGA, DSP and 040 as soon as possible and latter building more powerful low end model (e.g. if A1200 vanilla came with 030, fast RAM and slower DSP).

Company did not reinvested in development and died ... and rest ... rest we do know.

Apple has shown its dedication to survive with style, playing on high end until very end of x86 transition: now playing on closed source OS tied to its hardware and design since hardware inside is quite the same, if not low powered compared to price. But years of developing MacOS X has made it possible. That is also a good lesson there ...

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@RedMelons

Actually RedMelons - very true, it is right there in that quote... difficult to stay on top no matter how hard you try... even Apple is struggling.

Naturally there will be someone out there who feels they can beat the status quo and have a go at re-shaping an industry, creating a new cutting edge design or inventing a brand new technology - or at least have that "wild" idea and passion to do so, as Jay Miner and the original Amiga team did all those years back...

Everything moves on and it is very difficult indeed to remain the only captain of an industry, the sole innovator.

Funnily enough, looking at the new Xbox, what is so interesting is to think the CDTV was very similar in its overall aim - as a complete multimedia box and games computer in one. So So So ahead of its time - no one can really comprehend it, even today...

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@Thread

I've just seen the 2nd part. Awesome quotes and moments including:

Debbie Harry: "Are you ready to paint me?"

Andy Warhol: "It's great, it's such a great thing."

Andy Warhol: "Oh I haven't worked on anything, I've waited for this one."

Sweet. They even had a ballet dancer. So much more interesting and nicely paced than the XBox One event. The A1000 deserved far more success than it got.

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@Bugala

If you think an iPhone is an order of magnitude better than the competition then I only have one word for you: fanboy.

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@vox

I have to agree, if Commodore had stuck to a few good models and upgraded them it may have "survived" longer in some respects... I remember back in the day, I so wanted a "AAA" Amiga wedge... and was desperate for the 16ch 16bit audio that would have gone with it amongst a host of other enhancements.

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Last edited by QuBe on 22-May-2013 at 12:21 PM.

@olegil

Correction: It was better, now I think its on the same line with the rest, and i doubt its the best one. But since nowadays changing a phone means also losing all the games and stuff, unless you stick with same (Android, iPhone, whatever), they got me hooked while they still were that magnitude better.

Or actually they got friend of mine hooked who when bought iPhone4, gave his 3GS to me and now i got my small world in that phone that if i change to some other phone, I will lose.

And I actually just today heard of one phone that raised my interest a lot (didnt get the name, just know who has one), and if I wouldnt lose all that stuff in my iPhone, I would change to that maybe when the next time to changemy phone comes (which i think is soon as my battery is starting to be too lousy nowadays)