Well,

to tell the truth ... not a little.
It's 2013, but i don't see a proper Amiga rebirth, as we hoped years ago.

I know that I'll probably go to meet controversy, someone will get annoyed and say: here's another early morning complaint. Btw, I feel I must say a few things, in the hope to spuring someone to work even harder (though probably already doing).

1) The os still freeze here and there (after updates improving, but still freeze a lot)
2) We do not really have (and we really need) to low cost hardware
3) Laptop, netbook or notebook?
4) We do not have a decent browser yet
5) The graphic still very slow in many areas (can not even run properly in dosbox game or an emulated Amiga game)
6) The community still divided
7) Amiga is loosing His hown personality
8) ...
9) ...
...

Do not get angry with me, it's a morning rant

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@AmigaBlitter

...and don't forget to mention the weather, especially here in Germany. It is more than disappointing.

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@AmigaBlitter

"Amiga General Chat" is the wrong category, I assume you mean "AmigaOS4" with "Amiga" here. If you look on MorphOS (and AROS) the situation is very different, f.e. much more and cheaper (and better) hardware. OK the community is divided but the "community" is every single person and everyone can decide what he or she supports and uses. And everyone can take part and contribute (and be it reporting errors) and even make a difference (instead of just rant). And what do you mean by "loosing its personality"? What is the "Amiga personality" for you? For me it is the API, simplicity and speed (something all platforms share) that is different to all the bloated platforms.

@AmigaBlitter

Yes, indeed this is the true story...

I am still thinking about, what a solution might be.

The good thing is, that there is still development. X1000, OS-Dev. , A-Cube, Tools, and so on...


What's missing: A strategical point of view. Some kind of meetings, groups or whatever, to follow common goals.

My proposal is the following: Before AmiWest, make a meeting with everybody who wants to be in a strategical board. For example: Ben Hermans, Trevor Dickinson, MorphOS-Guys, AROS-Guys, ACube, and so on. Then everyone can make some proposal about strategical goals. For example development of drivers, hardware, software, ...

Then they can decide to define some common strategical goals.

Of course, someone has to organize this and the participants should be open to follow some common goals.

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@AmigaBlitter

i agree 100% with your considerations about the situation, but im hoping "probably" with os 4.2 something will change ... because thanks of Gallium 3D accelleration the system will become more stable because the cpu will be not 100% used for do all the graphic process, streaming and video decoding.

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@Birbo

I personal try to help to make AROS 68k to a kind of standard for 68k software. I had discussions over the time with AROS devs, MorphOS devs (not with Hyperion because they do not communicate very much and it easy escalates). I do not believe that anyone is seriously interested in working together (except some who share codes like OWB but not on OS level). So I personally concentrate where I can move most and can influence development. Bringing all together on a (virtual) table and have serious working together is pure fantasy and wishful thinking in my view.

@AmigaBlitter

Get yourself an A500 and then wait for this top news item:

Hyperion news

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@AmigaBlitter

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AmigaBlitter wrote: Well, to tell the truth ... not a little. It's 2013, but i don't see a proper Amiga rebirth, as we hoped years ago. I know that I'll probably go to meet controversy, someone will get annoyed and say: here's another early morning complaint. Btw, I feel I must say a few things, in the hope to spuring someone to work even harder (though probably already doing). 1) The os still freeze here and there (after updates improving, but still freeze a lot)

Runs pretty stable here (MorphOS 3.2). Sometimes a program crashes, but it's not a big issue. System lock ups are really rare.
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2) We do not really have (and we really need) to low cost hardware

There's plenty of cheap hardware for MorphOS, AROS and emulation.
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3) Laptop, netbook or notebook?

MorphOS supports iBooks and Powerbooks. I have quite some fun with my 1.67GHz G4 powerbook running MorphOS. AROS supports even more laptops. I ran OS 3.x on a laptop (by UAE) more than 10 years ago already.
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4) We do not have a decent browser yet

Odyssey is pretty decent.
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5) The graphic still very slow in many areas (can not even run properly in dosbox game or an emulated Amiga game)

My systems are performing rather well
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6) The community still divided

That's rather a head-thing. Broaden your mind and accept that Amiga is not only one solution, but a whole bunch today (AROS, MorphOS, OS4, classic, fpga, UAE)
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7) Amiga is loosing His hown personality

I have the feeling that my computing experience is pretty consistant since 25 yeas. It evolves of course - and that's a good and necessary thing.
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8) ... 9) ... ... Do not get angry with me, it's a morning rant

not angry, but things are not that bad. AROS is progressing, there are several interesting FPGA projects, MorphOS 3.2 was just a massive release. Of course not everything is fine, but i am pretty satified.

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@OlafS25

Hi Olaf

Well, my proposal is not about working together. I honestly don't believe that this will be possible...

But setting some strategical goals for all could help anyone.

For example: Development of new hardware. If we have some new developement for new boards who will support MorphOS, AROS, AmigaOS 4.x and so on... this could help.

The same thing for drivers.

That doesn't mean, that they have to work together. But it makes things just easier and the community knows, where the development is focusing.


I really think, this is a good thing.

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@Zylesea

+1

the situation is (in my view) much better than 2 years ago (when I started to be active again). But as I said with "Amiga" he means "AmigaOS 4.X" (and only AmigaOS 4.X).

@AmigaBlitter

For me at lest the last year has been quiet exiting Amiga wise.

I have an Amiga netbook thanks to ASUS and AROS and AROS keeps improving gradually from month one day at a time Not the perfect Amiga laptop but I have sound, and wireless networking and native display support + a good amount of software.

Amiga gaming is taken care for me by my Minimig which again keeps getting getter with each FPGA core update released.

Finally my little sam440ep mini-itx continues to make a brilliant little silent computer to playback my Music with my favourite Music player AmigaAmp and run my Classic software such as ImageFX4.5 which I still use regularly.

And soon I will be able to run Directory Opus Magellan II on both my netbook and my sam440ep thanks to the hard work currently going on to update the source code

I don't really feel the need to replace my Business Thinkpad or gaming PC desktop my Amiga's as I am personally quite satisfied with them for what I use them but I am not going to stop using Amiga's either.

I have always been a big believer in selecting the right tool for the job at hand and for me some times that's a Windows or Mac Laptop, sometimes thats a desktop computer with 2 displays and some times its one of my Amiga's or clones.

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@Birbo

+1

of course you are right but I do not believe that it will ever happen. So instead of wishing not realistic things I concentrate on what I can realistic influence.

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someone will get annoyed and say: here's another early morning complaint.

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@OlafS25

Guess what?

I make an invitation right now. - > No Joke. I do it.

So please help me to get all the parties together:

- AROS
- ACube
- A-EON
- Hyperion
- MorphOS

Who else?

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@Birbo

the majority of users (and many developers) are 68k so you should not forget them. But as I said I do not think that they would sit at one table. Remember the harsh discussions here on amigaworld between Ben Herrmans and some users (unfortunately it escalated and he did not answer any serious question before leaving again). I had discussions with MorphOS devs that ended (to say it politely) without any satisfying result. Imagine the Frieden brothers, Ben Herrmans and some of the MorphOS devs in one room . And even with AROS devs (at least one) I had a (personal) argument. I do not think that this would lead to anything. The problem is there is no real commercial interest in the market right now. If there would be the situation would be different because the commercial developer/companies would make pressure on the teams and all would be forced to work together in their own interest. But it is not.

instead of complaining, it's smarter to try ALL amiga flavours before saying everything sucks. MorphOS is years ahead OS4, and the fact the bootscreen doesn't show a boing ball shouldn't stop anyone from trying it at least.
I run both PPC systems, OS4 and MorphOS, so it has nothing to do with trolling but comparing what they both have to offer.

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@Birbo

Many simply doesn't have the will to do this, although they have the capacity and they can easily deduce that this would be the best route of choice

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@OlafS25

Well I'll make the invitation.

If nobody wants to come, no problem -> it's just a try.


After all, everyone is free to decide, if he want's to come or not.


I just want to try it.

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@SoundSquare

many user that are left are emotional fixed to one of the flavors, they would never even look at a other OS. So it is not rational, otherwise certainly there would be more movement in the market. Even if f.e. Hyperion or MorphOS-Team would drop their OS officially many would stick to what they have and then leave instead of trying out alternatives.