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linuxlalala 
Re: Various AMIGA questions
Posted on 26-Mar-2013 14:12:09
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EDIT:Accidental double-post

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Re: Various AMIGA questions
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@terminills

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Re: Various AMIGA questions
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Music as an audio stream is way too large for A500 or Floppy Disk, unless you dedicate the whole disc to it and reduce the quality a lot.
You will most likely want to re-arrange the music in MOD format, which stores only short samples and generates the music out of it.

EDIT:
Example: 11025kHz, 8bit, mono (which is already quite poor quality) will allow you 880kB / 11025 = 82sec of audio if the entire floppy is used only for the music. you can reduce the quality further, but only about 1:2 or the quality will drop again significantly and what comes out of the speaker will not really qualify as music anymore.
As a MOD, the music could play for many minutes in 50-150kb.

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2) I am currently programming a text adventure which will be ported to amigaOS (classic, of course) in AMOS Pro. The biggest problem is the music, which has been converted to 8svx with sox, and takes a lot of space. What can I do to reduce disk space use, making the game floppy friendly?

PS: I am Greek, so sorry for my bad English...


As you have said yourself "you have no floppies", then there is no actual need or requirement to make you Adventure games fit on a floppy...

Most folk don't use floppies anymore as they have a hard disk drive or CF flash drive of some type on their Amiga, so the limitations of the old floppy drives are really a thing of the past on the Amiga...

It would make more sense and be easier for yourself not to restrict the the size of your games to the space allowed on a floppy and you'd have no worries about the size of the 8SVX audio files... worth thinking about...

PS:I'm Scottish so no apologies for the English being bad...

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I think he suggest you should make a null modem cable.

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Yes, but hows your celtic ?

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Yes, but hows your celtic ?



Depends on which part of the family of the Celtic tongue you are referring to...

If you mean Gaelic or any other sub division of the Celtic language then all I will say is...

Why would I want to speak that atrocious language when good old everyday Scots is more suitable to my environment...

Edit: How impolite of me... forgot to ask... hows your Mandarin ???

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Re: Various AMIGA questions
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Why people say that hires workbenc flicker with scart. I have tested several LCD TVs and all of them has had very good picture.

Get one of these :

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=226

Or build cable yourself

http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/Amiga_SCART/amiga_scart.html

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Just to clarify, the recommendation of something like an IndivisionECS isnt to avoid flickering, its to get any sort of picture at all.

A500 screenmodes work at 15.75khz. VGA is 31.5. Without a scandoubler you cant use a modern monitor. This is a big part of why people are suggesting a TV with scart. Because it'll scan down to the lower frequencies the A500 needs, and also because its not too bad a picture (much better than composite at least). The vast majority of LCD TVs can handle an interlaced signal quite nicely, so flickering is pretty minimal.

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Just to clarify, there is no flickering with LCD-TV and SCART at all ;)

Guy is from Greece, so SCART is possible and easy way to get very good picture, with LCD-TV

Biggest problem will be to get correctly wired scart cable. I doubt that those generig VGA to SCAR cables will work.

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2) I am currently programming a text adventure which will be ported to amigaOS (classic, of course) in AMOS Pro. The biggest problem is the music, which has been converted to 8svx with sox, and takes a lot of space. What can I do to reduce disk space use, making the game floppy friendly?


We stopped using floppies many years ago. Forget about floppies.

We all use hard drives since forever (1980s=forever )

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Yes I do remember my old A590 sidecar whit 20MB hard-drive amazing how big that was back in the late 1980's.

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@utri007

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Why people say that hires workbenc flicker with scart. I have tested several LCD TVs and all of them has had very good picture.


mine flickers with scart, perhaps yours are 100hz models..

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no, all (5) lcd tvs I have tested has had very good flicker free picture. TV in picture is old and very very cheap video seven tv, even with it hires is rock solid.

THere is small difference in picture with A1200 if therebis no PAL in devs/monitors folder. With A500 no differeence at all.

YOu have had bad luck with you lcd tv

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@utri007

if you say so. so this is pal 640x512 hires interlace? this mode has always flickered on regular tv or monitor, and if not, then the tv has to have not only a scan doubler, but some flicker fixing hardware on input. why else would individual computers stll build their flicker fixers in the first place.

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@utri007

Hehe, a person cant win.
I deliberately said, "minimal flickering" to stop the calls of, "there's some flickering for me, you're wrong", or other almost inevitable responses. Doing so however resulted in "you're wrong, there's no flickering".

Us Amiga fans are a fickle bunch :)

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linuxlalala 
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@utri007

The scart looks ...different :P.

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linuxlalala 
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And please.. No flames here...

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wawa 
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flames? what flames?

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linuxlalala 
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Just a preventive post :)

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