@Darrin

The initial question was (somewhat) straightforward and was all but a stupid question, per se. Quite interesting, actually.

But the title of the post itself, and furthermore his reactions to the answers he got, tell a different story.

@Franko

Why couldn't you have asked an easier question for me to answer. Like, I dunno, how many people have a 4000 on its side with the battery at the bottom to minimise damage from leaks next to his feet under the computer desk and who's had it there for the last two years with the very real desire to get it up and running again if only I could be bothered to climb into the loft to get the very heavy 19" Iiyama monitor and cables that have been up there since the ladder broke and have no way of getting back up there, let alone down again carrying it with my bad back an all?

Me! That's me! I have one of them!

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@Franko

I've sort of moved away from physical Amiga equipment. Mine is getting old and I figure it doesn't have that much life left in it. Also I've been economising and using a modern computer for everything save a few dollars off my electric bill.

So I use Amiga Forever and AROS far more often that my 2000 or 4000.

It's all just electrons through silicon.

@resle

The question isn't stupid because some people do use computers for limited things and no everyone wants (or should be allowed) on the Internet.

As you say, it is an interesting question so let's all stick to making interesting answers.

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@Darrin

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The question isn't stupid because some people do use computers for limited things and no everyone wants (or should be allowed) on the Internet.

but those who are not allowed on internet, can not post an answer here. anouncment in a local newspaper could actually reach these people though.

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@wawa

True, but I've posted on here from my A4000 in the past so it is possible to make minimum use of the Internet from a classic Amiga.

I can surf the Internet to an acceptable standard using RTG and a 68040. OK, it's isn't the best experience in the world and certain sites are going to be inaccessible, but it is possible.

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@Franko
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Quote: Franko wrote: @number6 [quote] number6 wrote: @Franko [quote]So who else out there is still like me and only uses the REAL original Commodore Amigas to this very day for all their computing needs You're posting without using a computer? Heh. #6

I KNEW that would be the typical reply to this...

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Well, your limiting the questions to "all their computing needs" like you, but then we honestly know in that same post that the REAL Commodore Amiga does not meet your everyday needs either and you have to use an iMac to "Commplete" the full circle of "all your computer needs" including even posing the very question! So honestly I am confused, which is really nothing new.

That is fine, but then you sort of smirk and get frustrated when people talk about your skewed scope and the rest of the thread, not surprisingly is spent mostly on clarification as this honestly makes no sense. So for you it is one thing < 100%, but for rest you want it to be exactly 100%, end of discussion. It's sort of a loaded question.


Anyway, part of this is of course the "Online" thing. It's hard to use an Amiga for "All your computer needs" these days (as you can attest by having to ask this with your iMac). I mean since my A1000 days I've pretty much always been online. BBSes first, and then from there BBS sites were the Sysops were getting files from the internet before us mortals had internet access. Once I had "internet access", it was initially through a terminal program accessing a terminal/shell and then I mostly could access FTP or Newsgroups and would uudecode Amiga files, graphics, and mods. This was before I know what WWW or a webpage even was. Certainly before I ever heard the term "web browser". I'm sure I had IRC well before WWW too. ;)

So my Amiga experience has always been tied to my online experience. However, my A3000 experience can't keep up with my online experience sadly. So no, I can't use my Amiga 3000 as a daily driver. But Online is still the source, as always, of where resources for the A3000 come from, always new(old) demos to try, mods, pics to edit, etc.

How you would ever use an Amiga without having gone online even in the 80's (BBS) I have no idea. I guess games and being a great graphics artist or musician?

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From personal experience, my increasing use of a PC has been a gradual thing.

My first PC was a 120MHz Pentium which I bought used for the sole purpose of playing Civilization 2. My main machine was still my expanded A1200.

Slowly the ratio of use swung towards the PC because of games and applications that just were not available on the Amiga.

Now I have to use a PC because of work so I have no option even if I wanted to give up things like World of Warcraft, etc.

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@Darrin
i can access this site with my a4k as well, no question. but whoever browses the net will also want to view other content except aw.net, which demands other hardware alas. which means he is not an " only amiga" user. so by definition "only amiga" users will unlikely ever visit this site.

@wawa

Probably, but they don't "have" to. It is unlikely they wouldn't, but it takes all sorts.

Apparently there are even people who DON'T look at porn on the Internet! Amazing but true (or so they say).

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@Darrin

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Darrin wrote: @wawa Apparently there are even people who DON'T look at porn on the Internet! Amazing but true (or so they say).

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@AmigaHeretic

LOL!

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@Franko
You are a rare bunch because honestly for me original Amiga hardware has no value at all for my daily computer needs. (even putting internet aside)

Classic hardware is now a good memory only.

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@AmigaHeretic

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AmigaHeretic wrote: Well, your limiting the questions to "all their computing needs" like you, but then we honestly know in that same post that the REAL Commodore Amiga does not meet your everyday needs either and you have to use an iMac to "Commplete" the full circle of "all your computer needs" including even posing the very question! So honestly I am confused, which is really nothing new.

Didn't bother to actually read what i have said did you... (no surprises there)...


BY USING THE WORD AMIGA FROM NOW ON I AM REFERRING TO JUST AS MY INITIAL POST MADE CLEAR... ORIGINAL AMIGA COMPUTERS MADE BY COMMODORE AND UP TILL AND INCLUDING THE A1200'S SOLD BY ESCOM/ GATEWAY...


THIS THREAD HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INTERNET... FACT...

NOWHERE DID I ASK WHO USES THE INTERNET ON THEIR AMIGA... FACT...

THE AMIGA NEVER HAS HAD AS A REQUIREMENT LET ALONE A NECESSITY THE INTERNET TO BE ABLE TO USE IT... FACT...

THE INTERNET OR WORLD WIDE WEB WASN'T EVEN AVAILABLE TO TYPICAL HOME COMPUTER USERs WHEN THE AMIGA FIRST CAME OUT... FACT...

DID EVERYONE WHOM BOUGHT AN AMIGA IN THE 80'S SIT AROUND WITH THIER THUMBS UP THEIR REAR ENDS NOT USING THEM TILL THE 90'S IN THE HOPE THAT SOMEONE WOULD INVENT THE INTERNET SO THEY COULD USE THEM... NOOOOOOOOOOOOO... FACT...

THE INTERNET NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL BE A REQUIREMENT OR NECESSITY FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO USE AN AMIGA... FACT...

THE INTERNET IS NOT A PART OF MY EVERYDAY COMPUTING NEEDS, NEVER HAS BEEN NEVER WILL BE... FACT...

YOU DON'T NEED A COMPUTER TO ACCESS THE INTERNET SO THEREFORE IT'S NOT AMIGA COMPUTING NECESSITY... FACT...

YOU DON'T EVEN NEED THE INTERNET AT ALL TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET... A FACT CONVENIENTLY IGNORED BY THOSE STRANGE PEOPLE WHOM THINK YOU DO... WHICH AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS STILL LESS THAN A THIRD OF THE WORLDS POPULATION... FACT...


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How you would ever use an Amiga without having gone online even in the 80's (BBS) I have no idea. I guess games and being a great graphics artist or musician?

If the above hasn't answered your strange last comment as to why the internet or even a BBS has got absolutely nothing to do with being able to use an Amiga, which it never has done and never will be then sadly I can do no more for you to point out that you are completely wrong and you'll just have to live with that...

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Please lock this thread and the other one and nuke it into oblivion as honestly, as much as I enjoy a good laugh I really can't be arsed anymore with people posting cobblers on it that is off topic and got absolutely nothing to do with the actual questions I asked... ta very glad...

PS: If you need help to dig a hole big enough to bury it I'll be more than happy to help...

PPS: Seeing as how it's all completely off topic again then all I'm going to say is...

Why are trees green, I gave no one permission to make them that colour...

Why is that spider up in the corner of my living room carrying a chib and wearing steel toecap boots...

Why is the word why the word that causes so much bother...

Why does this ruddy planet have to have other people on it and why can't they all just disappear in one of them strange religious thingies were they all get taken up to somewhere and leave me an the squirrels in peace...

PPPS: Seriously... please lock and bury these threads before I go completely mental...

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@Franko

I think part of the reason the responses dont fit into what youre asking is because what you seem to want isnt clear either. The words are clear, but you muddy it by seemingly having your own definition of computer use.

Just because the internet isnt required to use the amiga doesnt mean it's excluded from peoples computer uses. Even dime a dozen pcs dont *need* the internet. Like it or not the internet is a use of computers. Whether or not a person/machine needs the internet is moot.

Dont take this as argumentative. I have no interest in arguing here. It's simply my thoughts on the matter.

As for the question, I have to answer no. I suspect I use my a1200 more than an average bear, but I have interests that arent an option for any 680x0 system.

The 3 people I know who fit closest to your question are Toaks, Cammy, and Rebel cd32 (the latter 2 still use a1200's even for the internet pretty heavily). Toaks Ive not had as much contact with in recent years, but he was probably the single most hardcore amiga user I had regular contact with (even amongst groups of hardcore amiga users).

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fishy_fis wrote: @Franko I think part of the reason the responses dont fit into what youre asking is because what you seem to want isnt clear either. The words are clear, but you muddy it by seemingly having your own definition of computer use.

Exactly. What is 100% of daily use? Franko says in his original post, "Who else out there is still like me and only uses the REAL original Commodore Amigas to this very day for all their computing needs... "

Except, ALL apparently does not include the internet as he uses an iMac for to 100% of his daily internet posting in here.

So what else does not qualify? Yet, he refuses to answer.

He just says err internet does not count! Why are you bringing up internet! Like that is not a daily computer use or something in his wee mind.

So I guess by his logic if I only start my REAL Commodore Amiga once a year and run calculator then turn it off, but I only ever use my iMac to post on forums and nothing else, then I use REAL Amigas for 100% of my daily computing? Because using an iMac on the internet does not count?

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@fishy_fis
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I think part of the reason the responses dont fit into what youre asking is because what you seem to want isnt clear either.

It's quite clear to me: he wants to be able to affirm that he is the only one true amiga user left and everyone else is an excuse for an amiga user.

The process: set initial rules so strict that no one is going to comply. Bash all exceptions as "yes but... internet usage...". Then if someone, by a miracle, seems to comply (discreetFX) - simply ignore him.

@Franko

The day they hit the shops I was an Amigan. I moved up the ladder as the models
and peripherals showed up and money allowed. Some things I do other things I don't do.
We are all supposed to grow up someday. A CSPPC tricked out box was quite
the machine but then so is the X1000. Let it go. Really.

If you are going to stir the pot then add some vegetables and meat like
Trevor did. Or work on your passion like the Frieden's do.

And Franko, what exactly was FidoNet, Usenet, FTP and Telnet all about then?

Mod's Note: Let's keep things impersonal, please, and focus solely on answering the topic at hand, as you see it. Thank you.

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