@delshay
Sorry, I do not have AmigaOS 4.x or PPC with my Mediator to do your test. I prefer my orphaned user friendly memory miser 68060 over PPC and that's without even considering the cost of PPC boards and AmigaOS 4.x.

@matthey

imho. it doesnt even make any sense to mod an amiga ppc accel in order to get os4 some percent faster, because there are faster dediacted solutions.

@delshay

OK, I'll try to reword what I said to a better comparison. Let's ignore any products or companies that did not require any NDA for something I was interested in this time. Only things that either I get NDA, or I'm out of luck for... I'm also ignoring now and previously things that you need to buy a membership into, such as PCISIG, VESA, etc. and once you've paid your dues then you get anything there. Note that for some things you get an NDA for a large group of things from that company, and sometimes you need to do NDA per device or family, perhaps several NDAs within the same company.

This is off the top of my head, deep thought might dust off a few more in all categories here.


NDAs required and achieved outside of the Amiga community :
(by product)
19

(by company)
6


NDAs required but failed
(by product)
5

(by company)
4

Earlier today I may have found another angle of approach for one previous failure. We'll see. It's a failure above until proven otherwise.

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@wawa
I was just trying to help someone since it would have only taken a few minutes. It's frustrating when trying to do something that no one else considers important. To the outside world, most people think anything Amiga is a waste of time.

@matthey

yes i see, btw, do you have still some good 68k memory performance benchmark? or a crossover real life benchmerk you can reccomend? i need to compare improvements on aros68k..

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@wawa
SysSpeed is good for main memory benchmarking.

@matthey

have already found membench from fab. but ill try sysspeed too thanks!

CLOSED:

I found this thread http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?start=40&topic_id=4433&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0

It shows video bus speed is not that high,but how it performs in the real world is another matter.

I will continue this project & release screenshot when I have time. This also explains why some PPC games ran ultra smooth 1024x768 16bit with Bvision.

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we made a tread on italian amiga portal/forum about benchmarking machine with sysmon on os 4.1

you can check here

http://amiga.ikirsector.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=17550


more shoots will come soon

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Interesting link.

Video bus is low,how do busboard perform with 800x600 screenmode and above. Classic users want real performance at high screenmode and it does not mean you have to overclock the card.

You can still have the same or better performance without overclocking depending on set-up,but real performance comes from all the buses.


Graphics performance is what is needed now for me anyway and is progressing well. CPU speed can be looked at later as it does play a part in overall performance.

DMA & 66Mhz PCI slot is a starting point.

There is also software tweaks to adjust parameters of video card if anyone is able to write a utility for it to adjust it beyond the operating system standard setting,but this is probably left to a expert who knows what there doing.

ALL MODIFICATION AT YOUR OWN RISK.

OTHER NOTES:

Link above shows a Cyberstorm with ultra fast memory access,its a little concerning as its near the Blizzard card memory access speed but is nothing to worry about for now.

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@delshay

I have a prometheus and a mediator di 4000
On the same machine i tested the 2 boards and...

The prometheus is 10% faster respect of mediator 1 point more on sysmon in write and read

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Im a classic user Blizzard/Bvision but I needed to know how busboard perform against other solution as I needed to know if I am going in right direction with this project.

It seems I have gone in the right direction and so far I am happy with it so far as there are a few application on its way if it ever gets completed for the up coming OS4.2 and I just want the performance to be there if it gets released.

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@delshay

For sure the blizzard vision and the cybervision ppc are the more faster solution because the minipci of the ppc accellerator is more fast 2x of the zorro/pci boards..
But this gfx boards have too much low memory for have hi resolutions...
In any case every depends of what the users need to do with their machines.


Here you can find some quake benchmarks

http://amiga.ikirsector.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=17576

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tlosm wrote: @delshay For sure the blizzard vision and the cybervision ppc are the more faster solution because the minipci of the ppc accellerator is more fast 2x of the zorro/pci boards.. But this gfx boards have too much low memory for have hi resolutions... In any case every depends of what the users need to do with their machines. Here you can find some quake benchmarks http://amiga.ikirsector.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=17576

Playing games on my classic has always been 800x600 16bit,this has been standard for years now on my classic but did not know permedia 2 can also perform at 1024x768 16bit.

I was a little stunned when I tested Freespace & Wipeout at the above screenmode. It is rare I use 640x480 for games but its not all about games.

Workbench is very quick and I did test Timberwolf as well but I will post this in the correct thread.

Low GFX memory is sometimes a problem but I think I have a solution for this but not certain at this stage.

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How does the G-REX perform against other cards?

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@delshay

have you thought about creating your own thread for your BlizzardPPC/BlizzardVision overclocking/modification topic? you seem to flood threads with offtopic comments about your overclocked machine. Could you please open a new thread? I think your overclocking achievements are impressive but they would be better in a different thread.

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by number6 on 30-Mar-2013 13:14:49 @wawa I think you missed the point. Olaf said: Quote: As I answered here I think it is time to free the platform of all that legal stuff. I gave examples of impediments other than the legal side. You seemed to agree with some of those. Yet you said: Quote: no, it isnt. As if there was nothing BUT the legal side to consider. I could not disagree more. Oh, and you seem to have missed "example" and assumed I'm arguing a point about a particular product. #6

It appears that @wawa didn't fully grasp the argument against legal barriers presented by Olaf. He/She focused solely on legality rather than considering other mentioned impediments like technical or community issues, and assumed there was only one product being discussed instead of examples given earlier in the thread.