Hello.

I recently tried to put an A4000 with an A2065 network card on the internet. And boy it wasn't easy! I installed Genesis from OS3.9 CD then MiamiDx. I also had to find a driver for the card as none was on the machine. I found an a2065.device and an ethernet.device on aminet, the latter didn't seem to work.

With Genesis it seemed to be the worse. The GenesisPrefs didn't work. And Genesis kept saying a stack was already in use. When it did come on it didn't work anyway. I tried the GenesisWizard and it tried to send a BOOTP request! What the? I'm not trying to boot it! I wanted DHCP but it didn't even give me an option.

Try Miami next. Seems to go okay though I am wondering if I need the internet and dns optiions anymore, since I am using the modern method of using DHCP with a router to handle all that by being the gateway. It gets stuck being unable to resolve my host name also found it hard to get my IP and GW automatically. Eventually I imported and modified the settings and got it to work. But boy it was hard!

I remember using these stacks with dial up where everything just works mostly. But a simple DHCP over ethernet just isn't as easy as DHCP is meant to be! Is there any internet stacks that can work out of the box?

I am also trying this with my A4000 and A2065 but no lights are flashing on the router. Nor on my AUI adapter. Sure I set AUI on. Int 2 is set. And set ethernet type to 2. AUI adaptor may not be working.

An A4000 with Mediator and PCI ethernet card was worse. Installed network drivers but none worked, stacks kept saying devices could not be open!

Now I got wireless internet working on my A1200 (with Miami) so I know doing this is possible! Is there a DHCP on the Amiga, the easy way?

@Hypex
MiamiDx has some MNI drivers for the A2065 built in. You could try that. It worked better for me, than the SANA-II device, when i had an A2065 (few years ago).

Apart from that for me, MiamiDx (not plain Miami!) is just working fine with my classics, and with DHCP. Using an Ariadne I in my A2000, and an NE2000 PCMCIA card in my A1200.

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@Hypex

I still have several classic Amigas connected to the internet with a variety of Network cards and software. I use both Miami and Genesis TCP stacks but these days everything is connected via a 24-port Ethernet switch to my Broadband Modem/router. Gone are the days of dial up modems for me! I also used Termite and A-Term back in the day.

I use mostly Zorro cards in my big box Amiga's (eg X-surf II, Ariadne I & II, A2065, and varoius others I can't remember as I am traveling away from home atm.) I use the PMCIA Network card arrangement (supplied by AmigaKit) in my A1200 systems.

I seem to remember that Genesis worked better if I set a static IP address rather than using DCHP, but as I'm not at home I can't check my settings.

TrevorD

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Yeah you are right you need a static IP address for genesis, I had the same problem. I also remember that its best to set the IP address above the 150 range If I recall correcty.
(for example) 192.168.1.150 and above to 255

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TrevorDick wrote: @Hypex I still have several classic Amigas connected to the internet with a variety of Network cards and software. I use both Miami and Genesis TCP stacks but these days everything is connected via a 24-port Ethernet switch to my Broadband Modem/router. Gone are the days of dial up modems for me! I also used Termite and A-Term back in the day. I use mostly Zorro cards in my big box Amiga's (eg X-surf II, Ariadne I & II, A2065, and varoius others I can't remember as I am traveling away from home atm.) I use the PMCIA Network card arrangement (supplied by AmigaKit) in my A1200 systems. I seem to remember that Genesis worked better if I set a static IP address rather than using DCHP, but as I'm not at home I can't check my settings. TrevorD

probably because Genesis/AmiTCP doesn't supports DHCP

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That's "probably" because the DHCP server is set to use the lower part of the range as DHCP addresses, which will most certainly clash now and then.

What you "probably" meant was that it's "best" to set the static IP address outside the DHCP range configured in the DHCP server.

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@Hypex

The Amiga was pretty late to the game in terms of hooking up your computer to an always-on internet or network connection. You could always go clockport + usb + network adapter although that'd probably go slower than Christmas.

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@Hypex

I can't remember it was that hard.

I used a PCMCIA network card on my A1200 with Miami and that worked fine.

Genesis/AmiTCP doesn't support DHCP at all. Has no clue it exists and will always try to connect with a static IP. Therefore Genesis cannot be used with most ISPs unless you have a router of your own supplying a static IP.

Miami supports DHCP though, but doesn't understand DHCP lease which means that if the ISP (or router) puts a maximum "lease" time on you dynamic IP Miami won't update it automatically when the lease time runs out. Your connection will just stop responding.

A simple script took care of that problem for me. I just measured the lease time of my ISP (was one hour), then set the script to take Miami offline and online very quickly (with option "Down when offline"=no in Miami) a few seconds before the lease runs out and I could therefore have the connection running forever, or atleast 3 weeks.

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MiamiDx has some MNI drivers for the A2065 built in. You could try that. It worked better for me, than the SANA-II device, when i had an A2065 (few years ago).

What about for plain Miami? I only have plain AFAIK. The MiamiInit doesn't let you select MNI and if it doesn't detect the driver then you have to type in the name manually. I hate that! Genesis rules in that department. You can select the file!

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Apart from that for me, MiamiDx (not plain Miami!) is just working fine with my classics, and with DHCP. Using an Ariadne I in my A2000, and an NE2000 PCMCIA card in my A1200.

I can't get it to go. I found out tonight at a friends place that my A2065 seems to be dead. The MAC can ve read off it and it's in the system but it can't communicate with the router.

So he kindly has given me another which makes the AUI adaptor light up but still no router lights. Not having a good time here.

@Geri

That's what I want to know also. In any case my hardware still has a problem. I am getting lights on my AUI adaptor bu no contact with the rouuter. It recognises the cable as the light comes on, though it does lok like the colour of a cross over. Which would be strange as the cable is straight through. Unless I interpreted the color wrongly.

Miami still can't get anytihng back. This worries me, it should have worked by now!

@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: Hello. I recently tried to put an A4000 with an A2065 network card on the internet. And boy it wasn't easy! I installed Genesis from OS3.9 CD then MiamiDx. ... With Genesis it seemed to be the worse. ... Try Miami next. Seems to go okay though I am wondering if I need the internet and dns optiions anymore, since I am using the modern method of using DHCP with a router to handle all that by being the gateway. ...

Hmmm - I have no experience with Genesis - I use a registered Version of MiamiDX.
Before I switched to broadband I accessed the Internet via 56k modem.

I remember that I was really surprised when I hooked up the Miggy to the broadband via a router and MiamiDX immediately worked after I enabled DHCP. I would have expected more issues...


EDIT:
This is with OS 3.9 plus BB's and a 10/100mBit NIC in the Mediator, of course...

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ChrisH wrote: @Hypex Yeah, Amiga OS3 internet really was that bad

No it wasn't and it isn't :) It's fairly easy if you have basic knowledge about TCP/IP settings and of course have working hardware. All you need is stack and one driver file in correct place, and you know the settings needed. I think that problems come when user doesn't know anything about networking in any platform. Maybe just used some other computers with dchp or similar already setted up. In most cases reading couple of pages about standard TCP/IP protocol would help ;)

I haven't had problems with networking on my several Amigas... using with old zorro cards, pcmcia cards or pci cards. I've always preferred AmiTCP/Genesis, because of the performance. Miami only when there isn't any other option than DHCP or PPPoE. Always got Amigas to work at parties or shows etc public networks.

And Amigas have been ready for internet since early days... I remember seeing A4000 connected to internet statically with ethernet in 1993. And there had been older Amigas networked even earlier...

But of course, if there is some hardware fault, then it's difficult ;) For example some old zorro network cards made for a2k may not work with newer Amigas. For example Hydra's AmigaNet 1.x cards are such... but there's hardware fixes for them too. And some cards have jumper settings for which port to use for connecting, AUI or BNC for example, but that's not actual fault or difficulty, just rtfm ;) And the most wellknown issue with A1200's reset bug... which is solveable with hw or sw fix.

BTW. there was some years ago a test in local PC mag about getting old computers to internet. IIRC there were at least A1200, old Mac and PC with Win3.11 in the test and for a surprise, Amiga was the easiest to get online according them :)

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BTW. there was some years ago a test in local PC mag about getting old computers to internet. IIRC there were at least A1200, old Mac and PC with Win3.11 in the test and for a surprise, Amiga was the easiest to get online according them :)

they must have been really bored

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