@broadblues

Anyway there is no easy way in AmigaOS to replace def icons whit out F.up the tooltypes, thats a problems if you're making theme for AmigaOS4.

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It's not difficult to make icons.

1. Someone created a 32bit icon editor recently as part of OpenAmiga project
So create imagery load images save icon

2. From the RAWBInfo window choose Icon Image Load then save icon (needs to be done once for each state)

3. He agreed to do it in exchange for hardware, so should have asked how!

As to the def_icons excuse, you don;t need to create ful set of def_icons , but any you create just craete blank and let the user install.


A theme as such doesn't require icons but setting up of window border images etc.

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I see if I can make a guide for making icons on my blog, I know of two more tricks, did not know about RAWBinfo trick, so it's at least 4 ways to make icons.

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Anyway was there a time limit and a demand of return of hardware or invoice if contract was broken?

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did not know about RAWBinfo trick, so it's at least 4 ways to make icons

Funny thing is that this "trick" existed since AmigaOS Release 3.5. Almost 14 years.

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My excuse is that I never, used AmigaOS3.5 on anything else then UAE once or twice, before AmigaOS4, I used RedHat 7 and Windows XP.

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No need to excuse. Even people who have used OS3.5 and above for a long time did not know about RAWBInfos features.

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You have "assumed" that what I have been saying here about myself and have not been speaking for anyone else, that you thought I was meaning everyone else for some reason...

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Can't agree with you on the theory about the market place though, think about it... did the fact that in 1985 when the Amiga first came out and Workbench had as standard that gawd awful blue, white, black and orange colour scheme put me or you (perhaps) off buying an Amiga... I know it didn't for me and it would seem it didn't put you off either...

cant think why I think your referencing the market place.

the 'Market' is a statistical place so you cant say things like "every single person" and using such qualifiers in a counter point only serves to polarize the discussion. Remove the erroneous qualifier and as a generalization the statement is true and thats what you need.

p.s. Opinion that is backed up with testable results is called fact.

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My excuse it that never, used AmigaOS3.5 on anything else then UAE once or twice, before AmigaOS4, I used RedHat 7 and WindowXP.

no, no need to excuse of course, but interesting to know.

@Panthro

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Panthro wrote: @franko cant think why I think your referencing the market place.

Sorry didn't realise you had short term memory problems...

Post Number 121 Where You (Panthro) Reference The Market...

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The point is that a 'modern' looking GUI is achievable and is prerequisite in the modern market niche or otherwise.

Kinda obvious why I was referencing the market eh...


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p.s. Opinion that is backed up with testable results is called fact.

If "opinion" that is backed up with "testable results" is a you claim suddenly called fact... then...

My "opinion" that not everyone requires, wants or demands that a "Modern GUI " to be a necessity when purchasing or using a computer, which being something that is very "testable" and easily proven with "results"... is according to your own words now "fact"...

Therefore if you truly believe that "Opinion" backed up by "Testable Results" really equals "Fact", then you will have to accept that what I have been saying here is indeed "fact" and not just an opinion...

Nice to know you're finally agree with my "opinions"... erm... "facts"...

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Well, we know that quite a few Amigans and tech curious/hobbists do not require fancy interface, so in that respect you are correct.

But for those in the Amiga "camp" that wants to attract new blood, a more "modern" GUI/Interface
seems like one of the logical steps.
There is a reason why Windows and Apple are popular; ease of use and more or less works with
little hassle from first boot up.
The same can obviously be said about a well tweaked Amiga system like im sure your setup is, but
you have gained expirience thru many years. For you Amiga OS is second nature im sure.

Even Linux has been suffering in the marketshare since its generally been considered less than userfriendly and not as well supported with regards to drivers. This is changing tho.

Again; it think your answer to your discussion depends on the goals you got.

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But for those in the Amiga "camp" that wants to attract new blood, a more "modern" GUI/Interface seems like one of the logical steps.

I'm not saying you're wrong there all I have been trying to say is... you can't say that everyone wants that and try to claim it as fact... like a certain person who's name begins with "P" here has been trying to do (I won't mention his full name "Panthro" as that wouldn't be fair)... 



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There is a reason why Windows and Apple are popular; ease of use and more or less works with little hassle from first boot up.

There is a bigger reason why "Windows" & "Apple" are popular, which is of course for the vast majority of computer users there is simply no other choice and hasn't been for many years when buying a new computer...

Just like you say, most computer users aren't like those of us who hang around forums such as this (ie: computer geeks). All they expect when they buy a computer is for it to work straight out the box and never even give a moments thought about the GUI or inner workings of the thing...

Like I say though, for most folk there hasn't been and aren't alternatives to the Microsoft or Apple stuff since the 90's and in reality since the 80's when there really was a choice when it came to buying computers...

That's the only real reason why Microsoft and Apple are so "popular", it's not through choice but simply because of lack of choice...




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Again; it think your answer to your discussion depends on the goals you got.

Exactly...

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I never claimed it that "everyone wants" in any absolutist way, again I'm generalizing for the sake of gaining useful info about GUI's for the current audience.

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My "opinion" that not everyone requires, wants or demands that a "Modern GUI " to be a necessity when purchasing or using a computer, which being something that is very "testable" and easily proven with "results"... is according to your own words now "fact"...

As strange as it may sound that statement is very true, it is possible to internally reference the self.

however I never said "everyone wants/requires" in the absolutist sense as I said.

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Sorry didn't realize you had short term memory problems...

this is how you respond when your 'caught out' referencing the market? poor form.
I was enjoying this discourse with you till that point, very poor indeed.

You'd have been better off admitting your mistake and simply saying
"my, bad. That was not what I meant to say"

The way you responded could be misconstrued as trolling & I'd hate to see a intelligent conversation
result in that label being attached to your reputation.

Try this, imagine what on average everyone else would like. It is impossible to please everyone,
as you have more than adequately covered a few times, but what would please the most people in your opinion.
retro? modern retro? modern? abstract? bland? generic? militantly functional?

Dont just choose from my list, I am actually curious as to what you think people would like.
that means dont just say what you like though.

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I've sent you [or Marko?] long time ago packed graphics in archive file and got response that programmer can`t use it because program only supports Amiga .icon graphics [!?]... I've been searching and couldn`t find any program that could convert transparent PNG or PSD files to Amiga .icon... even there are several Save-To-Amiga plugins for Photoshop...

someone develops skin editor for os4:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37453&forum=32

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this is how you respond when your 'caught out' referencing the market? poor form. I was enjoying this discourse with you till that point, very poor indeed.

First short term memory problems and now an inability comprehend things... watch out could be an early onset of Alzheimer's...

Erm... how can I be "caught out" referencing something that you brought up in the first place as I've already clearly pointed out to you and was kind enough to provide you with a link to your own words in which you clearly referenced the market...

You sure you understand English...




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You'd have been better off admitting your mistake and simply saying "my, bad. That was not what I meant to say"

I'm not in the habit of 'admitting to mistakes" when I didn't make a mistake in the first place, be a bit silly that would kinda like if i were to say "Sorry I made a mistake when I shot J.F.K. that sunny day in Dallas"... 




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The way you responded could be misconstrued as trolling & I'd hate to see a intelligent conversation result in that label being attached to your reputation.

Too late that label has been applied to me many, many times before both here and elsewhere...
Not being one who cares about "reputations" or what other people I don't even know think of me, then if anonymous people online "misconstrue" my words then it's really no big deal to me or going to offend or upset me in any way... 




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Try this, imagine what on average everyone else would like. It is impossible to please everyone, as you have more than adequately covered a few times, but what would please the most people in your opinion. retro? modern retro? modern? abstract? bland? generic? militantly functional? Dont just choose from my list, I am actually curious as to what you think people would like. that means dont just say what you like though.

Here's the thing, although as I have clearly stated here on numerous occasions that what I have been saying are my own opinions I can only add to that the following...

Most people that I have known personally or have met whom owned an Amiga don't fit into what would seem to be your ideals of what/ how the Amiga should be. Most of these folk were just like me never into gaming much on their Amigas and used them for more useful/ creative purposes (Heck I even used mine to run my own business)...

While all of those people have moved on from the Amiga many years ago. I still do on occasion have discussions with them about the Amiga and they are still of the view that the "GUI" and looking like all other modern day computers is certainly not important to their view of the Amiga or that it would play a part in them ever returning to the scene (seem to recall saying this just recently in a thread here)...

What is important to these former Amiga users that I have spoken to and for them to have any chance of ever returning to the Amiga scene is. They wan't new hardware that is cheap/ affordable, easily available to purchase is backwards compatible with the vast majority of old Amiga titles and for most of them easy internet access from such an Amiga is a must...

Until recently the NatAmi was looking like that solution for most of these folk although quite a few it has to be said were being put off it by the price being bandied about...

It seems from what I read on these online forums that in the main, folk that post on these sites have quite a different views and opinions on what they want/ require from the Amiga than what I do and ex Amiga users I know personally like / want...

Strangely enough I've been chatting with others on of all places the "Moo" in recent days on that very subject and it really does seem that peoples views on the Amiga have a lot to do with where they live. There seems to be various reason for this but it brings things back quite nicely to the point that, you can't claim that everyone or even the majority of folk want things Amigawise a certain way just because it's the way you would like to see it or for me vice versa...

Be they old or new to the Amiga it's a machine/ OS that always has and always will attract people with very diverse views on what they want or expect from it...

The Amiga never has been the type of machine that can just be lumped comfortably and easily to fit in with an idealised market view just cos that way is the easy way...

That's the great thing about the miggie is the diversity of it uses & users that will always make it that bit different from the mainstream world of bland PC's and this strange longing some folk have for the Amiga to become nothing more than just another bland PC clone that fits in comfortably with their ideas of current market trends...

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Erm... how can I be "caught out" referencing something that you brought up in the first place

you referenced and disagreed regarding the market when you posted this

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Can't agree with you on the theory about the market place

also you were generalizing about the Amiga market back here in post. #84

it is still possible to make a base that appeals to as broad a base as possible.

p.s. thank you for you help with my sons psychology assignment on conformational bias

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Panthro wrote: @Franko p.s. thank you for you help with my sons psychology assignment on conformational bias

Hmmm.... confusion still reigns supreme I see...

So me "referencing", "disagreeing" & "generalising" (according to you) about the "Market place" somehow means I was "caught out" (caught out on what exactly still has me baffled) while your "referring", "agreeing" and "broad statements" about the "Market Place" somehow means you haven't been "caught out" (mainly because there is nothing being said for anyone to be "caught out" on)...

Is that about right... or have I simply not got a scooby doo about what you and I are talking about here and this has all been nothing more than some mild hallucinogenic trip I've been on after licking one too many damp squirrels...

PS: Glad I could be of help with your sons Psychology assignment, hope he gets a nice wee gold star for his efforts and if he ever needs help on the subject of severe mental illness or just good old fashioned madness for another school project or even a hobby then feel free to ask, as I have quite a bit of first hand expertise in that field and would me only to happy to share my knowledge on such a subject...

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