@tlosm

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and this is incredible because this compatibility will made more people come to the os 4 from the old classic .

and i think they are perfectly reasonable here. speaking as one of those who use "the old classic" (but in private refer to themselves as True Amigans), it wouldnt make a heck of difference i fear.

@tlosm

Yes, it's been WOS-compatible since 2001 I think...
And GOA3D (Warp3D)-support has been included since 2003 or something (was available even earlier on separately).

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@Develin

I know i had it on my mac mini ... after i sell the mac mini and not more morphos . i used it from the beta 0.4 on my amiga 4000 ... but now i have a sam and i will prefer have the warpos on it.

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@tlosm

Well, it's up to you what you choose ofcourse.
I go for the compatible way without the NAME clearly =)

@Develin

I love Amiga os 4 , morphos is a great os it have a great support and a very good staff but it not gave me the feeling of the Amiga.
I know Well we have to be' great full to ralph because Thanks to Him we had the ppc on the classic Amiga ... The bios and all the software for make run the ppc on the classic was made by him, he is one of the genius of the Amiga scene... But him like all the genius have it strong character , and we know the conseguence of this... 15 years of brothers fight without no one win, all loose ...

In all the case I hope soon we will have the mos on the Sam motherboard and will be my change for have the warpos software running on my hardware config.

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@ssolie

Available where? I'd like to take a look.

@Hypex

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Available where? I'd like to take a look.

I suggest you write to Steven. He didn't post to start a dialog. He posted to clarify misinformation.

Don't forget the Hyperion policy as recently stated on this forum:

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This is a test, there will be NO more forum activity from Hyperion, its management or full time developers on this site.

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as usual.

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@wawa

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and i think they are perfectly reasonable here. speaking as one of those who use "the old classic" (but in private refer to themselves as True Amigans), it wouldnt make a heck of difference i fear.

I think "Classic Amiga" was a term coined by Amiga INC when they tried to kill off the old lineage in favour of Amiga DE. By Amiga INC's definition OS4.x is "Classic Amiga" too.

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I think "Classic Amiga" was a term coined by Amiga INC when they tried to kill off the old lineage in favour of Amiga DE.

According to Bolton Peck of Amiga Inc. it was Bill McEwen who made that statement. And, as Bolton said, he could have not -been- more wrong.

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@number6

I wonder if Bolton still has his bicycle shop. I guess we're straying way off topic here now.

@Rob, number6
this just confirms my dislike of that naming, especially that people are following it so loyally.

@thread

What software actually uses this?

The only software I have installed that brings up the GuruMed Logo (which happens when you open the ppc library) is HDRec and that has no ppc/warpos components on my install.

There very little point porting to another system if very little sotware uses it

68k emulation is extremely useful WarpOS seems not so.

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While experimenting with improving Warp3D on my classic, I discovered that various legacy WarpOS applications pass pointers to double precision floating point values that aren't 8-byte aligned. I've added code to ensure that once in the driver, these alignment issues are handled directly (to avoid any possibility that an exception handler may be invoked), but the fact that they exist in the first place may be a problem.

For 60x, G3 and G4 processors, reads and writes to these misaligned values is only a minor inconvenience. I'm no expert on the CPU's in the 440/460, but I gather that under current compilation options, double precision floating point values will always be aligned to 8 bytes because of alignment issues on these machines in particular. To my mind, this implies that they aren't as forgiving as the others. If that is the case, there will be some binaries that are just going to be incompatible without some considerable effort.

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all the old commercial game use warpos.
The great emulators from Amigdog use warpos,
Warpmame on my Amiga 4000 604e 366 is 8x time faster of the mame for Os4 on my SamEx
Some other commercial and useful software use Warpos ... Tornado3d v3 (i have this too....
And why not the crappy Ifusion use warpos too ..

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@tlosm

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but i know the warp3d is a part of warpos system probably because of this it have low priority ...

Not really. Warp3D just dates back to the time when WarpOS was a PPC kernel for 3.x. It could also run on 68K systems without a PPC.

The WarpOS emulation for OS4 includes a Warp3DPPC.library wrapper since this is the library that WarpOS applications that used Warp3D will try to open and is the perfect place to fix any ABI compatibility issues when calling the underlying OS4 native Warp3D.library, since WarpOS and OS4 have slightly different calling conventions.

Warp3D on OS4 is a low priority because it's basically a legacy system. For RadeonHD users, there are better alternatives to focus developer effort on, IMNSHO. Developing hardware drivers (particularly for an abstract API that caters for several very different chipsets) is a difficult task that's quite removed from ordinary application programming, particularly when debugging. I'd personally rather see that effort spent on a fully GL compatible driver solution than Warp3D (Improving support for existing Warp3D compatible hardware is fine, I just think that developing drivers for newer hardware is a bit of a waste of time).

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@wawa

I certainly wasn't impressed when Amino pulled that one either.

@tlosm

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Warpmame on my Amiga 4000 604e 366 is 8x time faster of the mame for Os4 on my SamEx

Mame has gradually got slower over the years as support for more hardware gets added and PC get faster lessening the need for optimisation.
There are 68k builds that are nice and fast and easily play games like 1942 at full speed. I think the OS4 version might use SDL too, which doesn't help matters.

@Karlos

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I'd personally rather see that effort spent on a fully GL compatible driver solution than Warp3D (Improving support for existing Warp3D compatible hardware is fine, I just think that developing drivers for newer hardware is a bit of a waste of time).

I was surprised when Warp3D drivers where announced for 5000 and 6000 series cards. I'm starting to wonder if Gallium will appear first anyway.

@broadblues

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What software actually uses this?

What WarpOS / Warp3D apps are running on OS4 ?

Some on this older list are not useful anymore, as we now have s/w that replaces amp/softcinema/frogger and some on the list have been replaced by native.

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