@tlosm

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WarpOs was an Hage & Partner system, i dont understand why on the other Os , ("more unofficial") they have Warp3d , Warpos emulations and Gallium (aros)...

440/460 CPUs aren´t as compatible with 603/604 as G3 or G4 CPUs. I have some doubts that even MorphOS will support WarpOS applications on SAM460.

I think it is better to add new features (eg. Warp3D for RadeonHD cards) than solving compatibility problems caused by WarpOS software.

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Plus Enrico Acube is made a new project (mobo) it will have a new type of ram and i think an new pcie (16x?)because he wrote about the same bus speed and ram performance of the WII U...

Interesting.

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this machine will be only populated with morphos or the aros ...

I don´t think so...


3D support for RadeonHD 5000/6000 cards will for sure bring great speed increase for all SAM460/X1000 users, raw power of these cards is generations better than current R200.

@pavlor

about the sam460 next project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ZLv1eehP4 (morphos on sam)
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=108 (aros on sam)

About the news of i speak about
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news
about this he wrote about a new mobo without the cpu (the user will choose) and the new type of ram and fast bus speed :)


Hardware but not software... this is the amiga style


Warp 3d is not only the 3d is acceleration of 2d too dvix fast decoding and mkv h264 too ... every depends of the programmers after this release

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@tlosm

Thanks, that ACube news have been left unnoticed in Amiga world.
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=755

However, none of offered hardware is PPC, so its irrelevant until MorphOS and OS4 get ported to ARM (or are currently relevant only to young AROS ARM port)

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@pavlor

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3D support for RadeonHD 5000/6000 cards will for sure bring great speed increase for all SAM460/X1000 users, raw power of these cards is generations better than current R200.

Again, big thanks to Trevor. Once Timberwolf, OpenOffice and 3D for high end RadeonHD are done, as well as if OS 4.2 brings SMP, AmigaOS 4 will for the first time become quite updated and advanced OS. So its important moment.

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@vox

He speak about PPC modules.. i think the user will buy the module of 440cpu or 460 or something else..

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For sure we have to say thanks to Trevor, and to all the people who in this 20 years do something for the community we have to not forget about they too :)

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@tlosm

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about the sam460 next project

Of course there is AROS port for SAM hardware, but I don´t think it has many users.
MorphOS? Nice bonus (nobody will buy SAM only for MorphOS).

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About the news of i speak about

I fear you merged two informations. These ARM boards have nothing in common with AmigaOS.

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about this he wrote about a new mobo without the cpu (the user will choose) and the new type of ram and fast bus speed :)

That would be realy nice. Hopefuly we will not wait too long.

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Warp 3d is not only the 3d is acceleration of 2d too dvix fast decoding and mkv h264 too ... every depends of the programmers after this release

Video decoding is not tied to Warp3D project. However, Hans (author of RadeonHD 2D driver) wrote about possible use of "textured video" (or something like that) instead of Overlay.

@pavlor

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Video decoding is not tied to Warp3D project. However, Hans (author of RadeonHD 2D driver) wrote about possible use of "textured video" (or something like that) instead of Overlay.

I think he was talking in the context of Gallium 3D when he mentioned that.

AMD have now released the documentation for UVD. It covers cards from the 4000 series onwards. I'm not sure if anyone is currently considering adding support to Amiga OS4.x.

@Rob

I dont know if some one have see a rasberry pi in action
It is a small Arm 700mhz cpu with a PowerGl gfx chip and 512 mb of ram swapped with the graphic card...
I have this one ... and with xbmc i can play full 1080p mkv in full frame and ac3 5.1 audio...
For sure this thing is more small of the Sam460 with the 4650 video board ... but i can watch an 1080p mkv on my sam at only 4fps ...
The difference is the using of video acceleration of the power gl...

Strange no one port xbmc to AmigaOs 4... there is available for all the platforms... and is opensource.

note:i have not buyed the decoding keys all are decoded by the micro gpu of the rasperry and the software ...

hope one day the great programmers will do something like that and i think when the Qt will be release this will be for sure

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@pavlor

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440/460 CPUs aren´t as compatible with 603/604 as G3 or G4 CPUs. I have some doubts that even MorphOS will support WarpOS applications on SAM460.

I have not tried MorphOS on SAM460 but I dont know any reason why WOS applications wouldnt work on 460 CPU.

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@Rob

http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=78305#forumpost78305

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Rob wrote: @pavlor Quote: Video decoding is not tied to Warp3D project. However, Hans (author of RadeonHD 2D driver) wrote about possible use of "textured video" (or something like that) instead of Overlay. I think he was talking in the context of Gallium 3D when he mentioned that. AMD have now released the documentation for UVD. It covers cards from the 4000 series onwards. I'm not sure if anyone is currently considering adding support to Amiga OS4.x.

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@itix

There are WarpOS applications that only align doubles to a 4-byte boundary. I may be wrong, but ISTR there are some conditions in which such misaligned values can be problematic on 460. Certainly all OS4 native compilers enforce 8-byte alignment for doubles, even though 4-byte is OK on the 60x, G3 and G4 - at worst there'd be a slight performance hit.

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@Spectre660

Hans is great! :)
Is like Thomas Sontowski and Frank Mariak but together in one person :)

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@Spectre660

A VDPAU state tracker is already present in Gallium 3D so that should ease the work to some extent. I'm not expecting anything soon but the potential is there at least, if someone is willing to commit their time to it.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA2MzY

@tlosm

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I dont know if some one have see a rasberry pi in action It is a small Arm 700mhz cpu with a PowerGl gfx chip and 512 mb of ram swapped with the graphic card... I have this one ... and with xbmc i can play full 1080p mkv in full frame and ac3 5.1 audio... For sure this thing is more small of the Sam460 with the 4650 video board ... but i can watch an 1080p mkv on my sam at only 4fps ... The difference is the using of video acceleration of the power gl...

Raspberry Pi has a Broadcom VideoCore IV which it uses for video decode. Open GL can be used to accelerate video but if there's dedicated hardware then it's better to use that. Of course Linux many times the resources of the various Amiga type OS'.

@Karlos

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There are WarpOS applications that only align doubles to a 4-byte boundary. I may be wrong, but ISTR there are some conditions in which such misaligned values can be problematic on 460.

I am no expert on the WOS but I dont know any WOS kernel calls passing floats. It may be that applications dont work due to misaligned data but it has nothing to do with WarpOS per se.

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Certainly all OS4 native compilers enforce 8-byte alignment for doubles, even though 4-byte is OK on the 60x, G3 and G4 - at worst there'd be a slight performance hit.

However it is possible there is OS4 native PPC code without 8-byte alignment for doubles. Developers can always fiddle with the alignment.

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@itix

I wasn't referring to WarpOS itself, what I meant was, binaries compiled for WarpOS tend to have misaligned doubles in them because the processors they were originally compiled for didn't particularly care about 8-byte alignment (especially if a 32-bit data bus is used). A case in point, the old gears demo aligns the W3D_Vertex to a 4-byte address, meaning that every Z value for every vertex was misaligned.
The processors that were in use by the time the WarpOS emulation was written could all cope happily with this, even if it meant a few extra clock cycles accessing them that could have been saved if they were properly aligned.

The 440 and 460 might not be so compatible. I read somewhere that misaligned access might trigger an exception. I don't recall the specifics; perhaps someone here knows.

Unless you go out of your way to force it, native applications will have been compiled to align doubles to 8-bytes to ensure compatibility. However, you are still stuck with a lot of old WOS binaries that are affected.

Back in the day, I always used #pragma natural-align (or whatever it was) in VBCC and only used #pragma amiga-align around OS structures because I thought it would be a bit faster ;) Perhaps they'd work on the 4x0...

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@Karlos

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The 440 and 460 might not be so compatible. I read somewhere that misaligned access might trigger an exception. I don't recall the specifics; perhaps someone here knows.

There is no reason why WarpOS applications couldnt run on 4x0 if the hosting operating system supported it. Misaligned access can be emulated in the exception handler.

And it probably already does so.

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@itix

I think m3x from acube can solve this quest :p
I will ask him and report :)

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I just tested on my Amiga 4000 with 604e 375 mhz in Os4.1 and warpos emu the WarpMame of amidog is great!... for go in full speed and perfect emulation need only 1 frame skip I tested Ghouls n Ghosts ...

I think the guys with sam 440 can anjoy this emulator in full speed without skipping frames

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