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AmigaBlitter 
Skype on OS4?
Posted on 4-Jun-2011 20:53:02
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It's seems that Skype is open source: is that true?
Someone has reverse engineered the protocol and the source are available for download.

Maybe a port could be considered.

Last edited by AmigaBlitter on 04-Jun-2011 at 08:54 PM.
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Re: Skype on OS4?
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Btw, don't know if that is legal

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Re: Skype on OS4?
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Skype is now owned by Micro$oft so I very much doubt it's open source. I fear for it's future on Mac and Linux machines never mind AmigaOS!!!

BBC News; Microsoft Buys Skype

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Re: Skype on OS4?
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No, Skype is freeware but we can hope in some opensource solution instead.

There are Asterisk, Ekiga, Empathy, Google Talk, Kopete, Pidgin, QuteCom and maybe more but i don't know if they are easy portable

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Re: Skype on OS4?
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Btw, don't know if that is legal


Uh ? If you think that a software is opensource why argue about legality ?

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Re: Skype on OS4?
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@samo79

my mistake. The author stated that skype is open source, but he has reverse engineered the protocol.

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Skype has always been closed source, but multi-platform supported.

How this support continues now that Microsoft purchased it remains to be seen - as it may be the case that the Linux and MacOS versions begin to lag behind the Windows port (as has happened with other acquisitions in the past).

I am hoping that they do not turn it into the practically useless mess that MSN (or Windows Live Messenger as it is now called) has become, adding features that weren't required and generally creating an application that is unfit for purpose.

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Re: Skype on OS4?
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Someone reverse engineered the protocol and open-sourced his own code. Skype itself is closed and proprietary.
https://github.com/skypeopensource/skypeopensource/downloads

I won't be surprised to see someone in patent violation court for this though.

And under MS's ownership, who will be suprised to see Skype proper end support for Linux and OSX? Time to move on.


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Re: Skype on OS4?
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a) part of protocol: IM
b) it's hard to test because it's not compatible anymore with Skype's servers

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I won't be surprised to see someone in patent violation court for this though.


It shouldn't be a problem outside US.

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And under MS's ownership, who will be suprised to see Skype proper end support for Linux and OSX? Time to move on


Who knows. I'm going to keep using it as long as it's going to work. Maybe in the mean time someone put some polish on XMPP protocols and we'll get something compatible across all platforms.

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If OpenOffice is legal, then why can't this be?

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If OpenOffice is legal, then why can't this be?


Oh, it is. Clean room reverse engineering is legal. US have “software patents” so if Skype owns “a mean to sign data with strong encryption” it can be problematic, see DVD and DeCSS.

OpenOffice is a bad example because it's more of a clone and you didn't have to look at Office's internal guts to write one.

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The standard .doc format (97-2000) is open?

Edit: It is now, but wasn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOC_%28computing%29#cite_note-7

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I won't be surprised to see someone in patent violation court for this though.
And under MS's ownership, who will be suprised to see Skype proper end support for Linux and OSX? Time to move on.

IIRC an update for MacOS has been released just a few days ago. Microsoft is no more the Microsoft of the nineties (actually Apple is more similar to 90s MS) and they are quite intelligent to not loose millions of customers i suppose.
Btw - luckily - reverse engineering protocols isn't illegal under EU laws.

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Common MS has not given up on taking over the word yet, MS vs Google is ongoing, MS hates the idea that application does not need to be installed on Windows, MS does not give up until they control all software development in the world.

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Quote:

Quote:

I won't be surprised to see someone in patent violation court for this though.



It shouldn't be a problem outside US.


Being a patent or not, (such) reverse engineering violates copyright, also in EU, also Polish copyright, Opi.

BTW Skype on Amiga = I used to be using IM+ (web) while on MorphOS, now I use IMO while on Kindle.

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Re: Skype on OS4?
Posted on 5-Jun-2011 19:15:09
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maybe its illegal, but who cares ? As Skype ist available on linux, mac, android, ... by several programs it should be possible to have it the same way on amiga. Skype wont care about this if it doesnt on other platform.

Another idea: We should have a browser with stable working http://imo.im

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Skype Network is currently down.
Who didn't see that coming?

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Re: Skype on OS4?
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For all who need Skype on Amiga ;) imo.im for now dont have Skype support...But here is another one service https://plus.im works gret for me (icq,msn,skype.....)

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Re: Skype on OS4?
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How this support continues now that Microsoft purchased it remains to be seen - as it may be the case that the Linux and MacOS versions begin to lag behind the Windows port (as has happened with other acquisitions in the past).


M$ will continue to support (actually they released a 4.x for Linux not too long ago and I can't remember how long it was under the last owner of Skype that they released 2.2 Skype for Linux) for Linux/Android as it is a market they want to penetrate as deep as they can. M$ knows that they can't trump Linux/Android, but they can go after and dominate certain application markets that they would normally be shut out of if they were to go M$ centric.

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