@Tomppeli

I have sii-card. My SE doesnt work with onboard usb or ide at all. Or works, very short period of time. Not many minutes anyway. Not tested entirely tough, been content with silicon image and terratec. For my great surprise, usb seems to work with NEC card after OS4.1 upd1 or upd2.

I have onboard ide and usb disabled.

Then, after update3 setup, it boots normally. Loads kickstart normally, loads bootscreen. Stays on bootscreen maybe 4 minutes. Machine is alive, at least caps lock works. Then picture is black and stays black. Capslock works however.


I wroted story to

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1608&p=18857#p18857

Have some help there allready, so it is more sophisticated not to move problem to here, isnt it :)

I just noticed, that olegil ang Geri is online and I have good change to learn something :)

Last edited by mlehto on 26-Feb-2013 at 09:30 PM.

@Geri

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Quote: mlehto wrote: @Geri In general, can I use pci graphics gard any of A1 pci-slots? Well, newer PCI graphics cards with a PCI-to-PCIe bridge only work on PCI bus 0, because U-Boot initializes only the first detected PCI-to-PCI bridge. Old PCI graphics cards (with a real PCI interface) may work in any PCI slot, if they're 3.3V (compatible) cards.

For clarity, AGP/PCI is on bus1 , three pci slots in bus0 ? Actually you allready answered this :)

Ok, thanks about information.

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Quote: It was possible to use both pci66 and agp in same time. It was changed witk uboot update. Afrter that it was exclusive pci66 or agp. From the hardware point of view you can still use a PCI card together with an AGP card on PCI bus 1, given that the AGP card works in plain PCI mode (which I think is always the case on the A1, because the AGP controller is not used). The real problem is the incomplete initialization of other PCI-to-PCI bridges by U-Boot, which essentially hides such cards from the operating system. But any normal PCI card should be initialized correctly also on PCI bus 1 (I put a 1GB Ethernet network card in the 66MHz PCI slot, as I wrote above).

Ok, so it is possible to use that slot allso. Maybe better with some low-overhead card as network or usb ?

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Quote: I suspect, that I have some hw-prob wich refuse os4.1 work with my SE with upd3 and up. I have OS4.1 with update 5 running, IIRC. But I had to disable onboard USB and IDE.

Ok, I think, that there is different SE-models out. If you and olegil has only two patch-wires and I and terminils has six with GAL chip, they are different. Waht is difference...?

Should be intresting to know, if terminnils can use 4.1 u3.


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Quote: So I try with pci radeon. Tested with agp radeon 9000 pro and radeon 9250. I would say a Radeon 9xxx should work. Does it show up in the list of PCI devices? Or how did you test it?

I just made plain installation. 4.1 u1, then updated to u2 and then u3. With both cards. Actually guite numerous clean installs.

Result is same, boots and loads kickstarts, then bootpic, wichch stays very long time and finally black screen. Capslock works all the time.

Cant test it any better, without picture. Nullmodem cable I dont have ATM.

Slayer has some ideas in Hyperion amigaos support forum. Let see, what happens.

It may be, that it is mystic graphics card problem. 9250 is broken now. 9000 pro should be supported and ok, but never know.

Actually, I has one sii3114, wich works just fine. I tested it with quite big file transfers and md5sum. It works, except I cannot boot peg2 via keyboard that card in system. with two other sii3112 and one 3114 everything works. Sometimes problems are hazy.

Insight about SE/XE hw is just so narrowly available, so it very intresting to catch people, who has some deeper knowledge :)

@mlehto

Answered on Hyperion's forum. I have had two gfx cards simultaneously on SE.

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@mlehto

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mlehto wrote: @Tomppeli I have sii-card. My SE doesnt work with onboard usb or ide at all. Or works, very short period of time. Not many minutes anyway. Not tested entirely tough, been content with silicon image and terratec. For my great surprise, usb seems to work with NEC card after OS4.1 upd1 or upd2.

That sounds like the behavior of my A1SE, when I used the onboard IDE controller. USB however is a no-go, at least if the card is in one of the PCI 33MHz slots. I didn't try it out in the 66MHz slot yet, because I only had a 5V only card at hand.

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mlehto wrote: @Geri For clarity, AGP/PCI is on bus1 , three pci slots in bus0 ? Actually you allready answered this :)

Yup!

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Ok, so it is possible to use that slot allso. Maybe better with some low-overhead card as network or usb ?

Good question. The other card my steal some bus master cycles from the graphics card, which then may have to wait for all the other masters on PCI bus 0 to get their fair slice of memory access. But I don't know how big the performance impact is. But I could do some tests...

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Ok, I think, that there is different SE-models out. If you and olegil has only two patch-wires and I and terminils has six with GAL chip, they are different. Waht is difference...?

That would be good to know. I wonder, if it would be possible to read out the GAL. But that would require to solder it out, so that may not be an option anyway.

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I just made plain installation. 4.1 u1, then updated to u2 and then u3. With both cards. Actually guite numerous clean installs. Result is same, boots and loads kickstarts, then bootpic, wichch stays very long time and finally black screen. Capslock works all the time. Cant test it any better, without picture. Nullmodem cable I dont have ATM.

Yes, a nullmodem cable could help.

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Slayer has some ideas in Hyperion amigaos support forum. Let see, what happens. It may be, that it is mystic graphics card problem. 9250 is broken now. 9000 pro should be supported and ok, but never know.

AFAICT graphics works well under OS4 on my A1SE. But I was surprised to see that hardware graphics acceleration also works well under Linux on the A1SE. On my A1XE it mostly locks up the machine immediately (also under Linux, OS4 is fine).

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Actually, I has one sii3114, wich works just fine. I tested it with quite big file transfers and md5sum. It works, except I cannot boot peg2 via keyboard that card in system. with two other sii3112 and one 3114 everything works. Sometimes problems are hazy.

The sii3114 also works fine under OS4 in my A1SE. Linux is a different story, but that may because it accesses the controller through its PCI MMIO address space (which was confirmed to be problematic). The OS4 driver likely uses the PCI I/O space.

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@mlehto

hello, can you send these instructions to me too? my public email address is fabrizio.oldrini@poste.it

I have green wire patches on my a1g3se board too, and I would like to check them out, since one of them desoldered one day, then I found a couple near the GAL chip which could have desoldered in time, I soldered them again but didn't notice any change in the use
BTW, my on board 3com chip seems faulty, I have tried a reflow, but no success

@satiropan

Sure. Have to send additional pics to Geri allso. Im dissapointed bit about quality. Fine but not as good what I waited.

@mlehto

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@Geri

NP ... I tried to get pictures so, that one can make them one. But it is not possible :)

@mlehto

good, if I manage to put my pictures on lne, you will also see mine

@mlehto

Seems that there is no AmigaOne SE betatesters anymore, so you could ask to be one?

@utri007 and all

here:

https://plus.google.com/photos/101122442993958461210/albums/5857867080889676865?authkey=CJrow_r9vanYbA

are my a1g3se photos, with green wire reworks. download and enlarge yourself, google+ magnifier has a limit

Last edited by satiropan on 21-Mar-2013 at 10:18 PM.

@satiropan

Mille Grazie!

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