@Slayer

Mines the slowest on the block! Ouch!

My boot partition is FFS. But I didn't know we could boot off SFS now. Good to know All my main volumes have SFS. And in case of troubles there is software that can rescue from SFS. Infact I think it's the only filesystem you can trust on the X1000 since AFAIK it's the only one we have rescue software for.

@Hypex

You must have an FFS partition to hold amigaboot.of, I have a 2mb partition for that and use SFS/SFS2/JXFS for my other partitions.

@thread

I would not advise using JXFS unless you really need i for files overr 4Gbt. I got a simple blockid error on a partition and lost 600Gb of data as there's no way to fix it, JXFS won't even mount it in read only mode to recover the data.

My boot times are 1:05 for a full boot and 20 seconds for a reboot with an HD5450 gfx card and runing Dopus5

15 things in wbstartup, I could trim a few seconds off by changing the wait times for the boot menus and clearing out some of the 60 odd assigns etc. but it's not worth the effort.

Reboot time is from when I first press the ctrl-a-a keys not from when it beeps/logo appears which adds a few seconds.

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I also have enjoyed my X1000. I was never into Amiga and when Trevor and team announced that they were making this new NG Amiga I kept an eye open for it. Sounded like a fun system to buy and a cool group of people to meet through using one. I have now owned mine for over a year and continue to use it daily.

I am looking forward to new software updates that will allow me to use the X1000 even more in the future.

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@Hypex

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What sort of gfx card do you have? My X1000 takes 1:40 to get to WB! Too long! Almost a minute longer than yours.

I have a 4850, initializing some gfx cards have been reported reported slow. If the grey a-eon screen is open for a long time, its most likely the gfx card.

Other things I've done to speed up booting,
1. Set the system to boot at 1.8GHz, default is 500MHz.
In CFE, type show pmu, look for the set speed, if 500MHz, type setenv -p STARTUP "set pmu -astate=a4;menu". Ttype menu & then F to return to CFE, show pmu should now show 1,8GHz as default, this trims about 10 sec off boot time.

2. In sys:kickstart/kicklayout, I have all unused drivers commented out to save a little loading time, not much.
;MODULE Kickstart/sii3112ide.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/sii3114ide.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/sii3512ide.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/sii0680ide.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/lsi53c8xx.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/it8212ide.device.kmod
;MODULE Kickstart/3DLabsPermedia2.chip
;MODULE Kickstart/3dfxVoodoo.chip

At 1:40 boot time, my guess is the gfx card init taking too long.

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@sundown

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Other things I've done to speed up booting, 1. Set the system to boot at 1.8GHz, default is 500MHz.

The system only switches to 1800Mhz after CFE has initialised, before the menu appears.
Everything upto that point including the hardware and Graphics card init is done at 500Mhz. Changing the pmu state essentially only speeds up loading of amigaboot.of and the kickstart modules. (Your 10 seconds)

Hoping one day a CFE update might address this.

There are two spare PMU states a5 and a6 which I assume are for higher clock speeds eg:- 2000Mhz however they cant be changed from 1800Mhz

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Yes, because we were only talking about partitions we overlooked that I boot my amigaboot.of off a CF card

In regards to JXFS I guess I need to disagree but it comes down to whatever people feel comfortable with, the only time I've ever lost anything on such a partition is when I've accidently deleted something

I guess I like to live a little dangerously since I have delete check disabled in DirOpus and when I format I use SFSFormat NORECYCLED

I discovered from trial and error back in the day that having no recycle directory runniung SFS reduced the bottleneck (I say this because occassionally when the directory hits your rollover threshold it would get bogged down deleting the old to make way for the new entries) and and as a consequence added to the stability of the partition overall eg end of errors and similair.

Another thing worth noting is ALL my JXFS partitions are actually complete seperate harddrives most of them are 1TB but I do have a couple 500MB which need to be replaced. I've brought the replacement drives just haven't swapped them out yet.

whether or not all these things considered lead to a more stable JXFS setup is anyones personal choice but it has always worked for me and I've been using JXFS since it was released

adios!

edited to add: yes, this is the same setup on all my AmigaOS4.x systems

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@amigasociety

You are the Man!

I also wait for the software when finally got the working A1 back from the future..

Started from 2002 this experiment.

@sundown

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You coming to amiwest this year?

If I start planning earlier I sure hope so. Last year there was that unexpected HVAC replacement $$$$$. Then I went ahead and bought my X1000 when I probably shouldn't have. Oh well, the present looks good right now. I still need the new tires for my car, but that is a lot less $$$$ than the HVAC and X1000.

I sure wish it wasn't such a hassle to fly there (long layover in Seattle) or take Amtrak (nearest station 75 miles away).

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@all

I'm surprised by the reported boot times. My old A1 XE with G4 @ 1 GHz boots in ~20 s from power on and ~7 s for warm reboot*, so I guess there must be lots of room for improvement there. I'd be happy to hear about quicker times from other A1X1k owners.

*Notes: SFS partitions / optimized kicklayout and startup-sequence (I load only what I need) / only few programs launched at WB startup / the time has increased slightly with the various OS updates, but lately I gained some seconds back (about a couple, probably) thanks to an SSD (but the Kickstart loads from an HD, as U-boot doesn't know the Silicon 3512 controller).

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@saimo

This thread is not about the boot times of an A1.

My X1000 radeon 4850 takes 17 sec to initialize, 35 sec to boot to WB after, this with a 16.5MB kickstart vs 10.4MB on a micro that booted in 35 sec, so the gfx card does slow bootup time. Modern h/w does get us closer to longer pc boot times, but adds faster gfx. Not perfect & never will be until we can boot in 1 sec or less, even then ppl will want faster.

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@sundown

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This thread is not about the boot times of an A1.

True, but the first reply brought the subject up and it has been discussed by a few (you included)
While the original intention was to share the positive experience with the A1X1k (which I was happy to hear about), the scope immediately became broader, since boot times are part of the experience. I guess it's not that inappropriate to talk about them here?
Also, just for clarity, let me add that I have no hidden intentions - I'm not blaming anybody and I don't want to rain on anybody's parade. Actually, I wish all the best to the people involved in the A1X1k and AOS4 projects and I look forward to the day when I'll congratulate with them on quick booting times!

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My X1000 radeon 4850 takes 17 sec to initialize, 35 sec to boot to WB after, this with a 16.5MB kickstart vs 10.4MB on a micro that booted in 35 sec, so the gfx card does slow bootup time.

Trying to keep it simple and short:
* I didn't deny that the graphics card initialization slows down the process.
* 17 seconds just for the graphics card look like a long time anyway, so I still suspect there's room for improvement;
* 35 additional seconds are still almost the double of what my much less powerful A1 needs to boot from power-on, so I'm firmly convinced that there's a lot of room for improvement there.

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Modern h/w does get us closer to longer pc boot times,

Well you brought this up yourself, so I hope you don't mind if I answer

I don't follow the evolution of OSes/CPUs/cards/whatnot (I have no idea of what the latest CPUs are, of the latest technological achievements, etc.) and I'm sure generalizing here is hardly possible, but to me it doesn't sound fair to me to blame modern harware, not only because of what said above, but also because this laptop here (HP G62, AMD Athlon II P340 Dual-Core @ 2.2 GHz, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470, as the system itself tells me) with Windows 7 on it, boots in ~37 seconds from the moment I switch it on and it doesn't look like the graphics card initialization takes long - of course, I didn't post this to celebrate how cool and great the system is, but only to provide a practical example of modern (oh, well, 2-year old) hardware with a heavy OS on it still booting quite quickly.

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Hey, folks...

I'll just chime in and say I'm a happy X1000 owner as well.

Not without hiccups sometimes, as I get the occasional lockup that I have not yet nailed down. But I have no doubt overly complicated my setup with lots of hardware and software. Hey, that's how I roll. :) Four SATA devices, 2 IDE devices, PCIe to PCI adapter, CatWeasel Mark IV PCI card, two Radeon HD PCIe graphics cards, etc.

The machine runs both Amiga OS 4.1 update 6 and MintPPC very well, and indeed the video hardware acceleration under MintPPC hopefully is giving me a taste of what's to come on the Amiga side, where I spend most of my X1K time.

I enjoy running the latest native OS4 software, such as Andy Broad's SketchBlock, as well as Lyle Hazelwood's port of and udpates to BarsnPipes. I'm counting on the forthcoming Warp3D to improve my Blender experience over what is already possible using the software solution Wazp3D. My biggest joy with the machine comes from using classic creative applications such as LightWave, Cinema4D, Imagine, ImageFX, ADPro, Photogenics, fxPaint, TVPaint, Perfect Paint, Personal Paint, Vista Pro, Wildfire, etc.

Some newer tools such as VideoClipper and FFShop are proving useful for me too. These types of programs, of course, are much faster on my Sam440ep computers than on even the best of my classic Commodore-era Amigas, but the raw power of my X1000 really comes through for me using this stuff on the "big" Amiga(One) iron. I am so glad I was able to get this machine.

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since there's quite a bit of interest on X1000 boot times I just made quick vid on YouTube. The video got cut off at the end as my phone memory ran out but it makes it to WB luckily just in time

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@saimo

I won't quote, just want to say that I have no problems with the issues you've posted, just would rather see the boot time issue in its own thread. I for one would like to re-visit progress, or lack of it, in its own thread.

All I can say is, the gfx card drivers were non existent at the start & do have a lot of room for improvement as do many things for the X1000, just takes time. I see the weak point being the cpu fan, I would leave it on 24/7 if I wasn't worried about the fan failing.

Edit: Boot time thread started.

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@klx300r

Thanks! It was quite informative to me.


@sundown

I've seen boot times discussed here and there but indeed maybe there has never been a specific thread. Anyway, personally I don't have anything else to add.

If it's possible to sum it up in few words, what's the story regarding the fan?

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@saimo

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If it's possible to sum it up in few words, what's the story regarding the fan?

In the Beginning , there were plans to only use a heatsink for cooling, a lot of us were paranoid about heat, so we pushed for a fan as well. As the new system was being tested with both cores under linux, Trevor decided a fan was a good idea. The system running with 1 core would most likely survive a failed fan, but I'd rather not test that theory with the cost of the system. There were no problems that showed without the fan, but better to be safe then sorry, the system does get a little warmer with both cores on.

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@sundown

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In the Beginning , there were plans to only use a heatsink for cooling, a lot of us were paranoid about heat, so we pushed for a fan as well. As the new system was being tested with both cores under linux, Trevor decided a fan was a good idea. The system running with 1 core would most likely survive a failed fan, but I'd rather not test that theory with the cost of the system. There were no problems that showed without the fan, but better to be safe then sorry, the system does get a little warmer with both cores on.

Thanks.
Well, then you shouldn't worry. But for sure turning off the system when not needed will simply lengthen its lifetime anyway (fan or not).

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@saimo

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But for sure turning off the system when not needed will simply lengthen its lifetime anyway (fan or not).

That's not quite a sure thing.
There are points on both sides to be considered.

If your electric supply is smooth and reliable, you may get better long term reliability by leaving the machine powered up continuously. Even though the temperatures are not excessive, there is still a "warm" and "cold" states, and there is thermal expansion and contraction between those two. By running continuously, you reduce the number of heating/cooling cycles and the mechanical stresses they impose.

It's also much easier on the power supply to maintain idle current than it would be to switch it on and off repeatedly.

There are two sides to the argument. How long you usually use your machine, how often you will be switching it on and off, and how safe and smooth your incoming power is all play into the choice. I'm not offering a definite "one way is always better", but I AM proposing that sometimes leaving it on 24/7 might be the better choice.

Since I average at least 14+ hours a day on the Amiga, it stays powered up continuously. I only shut it down when changing PCI/PCIe cards or leaving home for a few days or more.

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@lylehaze

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It's also much easier on the power supply to maintain idle current than it would be to switch it on and off repeatedly.

True enough, the x1ktemp dockey claims it can shut the x1000 down at a set temp, have to play with that.

Its been my experience that the old light bulbs always blew out when switched on.

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@thread

I've had my AmigaONe X1000 for several months now. Although I can't say I've been problem-free, I will say that all of the problems have been caused by my lack of knowledge about AmigaOS and the X1000 itself. But I'm learning!

I've had a few Amiga's (1000,2000, 3000, 4000) but never one as powerful and fast as the X1000. I know this computer is over-priced compared to others (I have a couple of very nice Dell Alienware PC's too that are cheaper) but I don't care. I'd much rather use my X1000 than the Dell's...except for games I cannot play on my X. I browse at acceptable speeds, and know that I have apps like AmiUpdate, Jack, Cinnomon Writers, FindMore, and many others, I can do nearly everything I routinely do on an X1000. I expected a hobby machine, but it has turned into so much more. The Moo Bunny guys may hate this, but it is really a pretty acceptable main computer right now, and it getting better each day.

I just recently ordered a Catweasel and am looking for a good floppy drive to start installing my old Amiga productivity software and games.

The machine is extremely solid and pretty fast. While there are still drawbacks (Flash, YouTube and MS Office) I get by fine with it and AmiCygnix apps the sevral browsers Amiga OS 4.1 has, and do my YouTubibg elsewhere. Once 4.2 and Libre Office gets here, nearly 99% of what I use a computer for will be done by my X1000.

So while the thing was expensive, I'm starting to get really good value out of it. It honestly is a hell of a lot more fun than my Alienwares...

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