I want a 16 core Amiga :)

http://sillegamer.com/2012/04/06/xbox-720-devkit-specs-detailed-includes-16-core-processor/

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Lets see SMP in the PPC kernel by giving the freidens all the support we can.

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Have you shared your Ideas about it?
Maybe some tips you used can be important for further progress on this.

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"16-core IBM PowerPC CPU, a GPU comparable to AMD’s Radeon HD 7000-series graphics cards"

I wonder if they manage to put the GPU on the PPC SoC.

Anyway... the news seems positive for PowerPC.
Not everyone is ditching PPC, some hundred millions will still be sold in the future ...

but it's early days... just rumors:
"Xbox will feature a Power7 quadcore with 4 threads per core, totalling at 16 threads "
http://www.google.com/search?q=xbox+720+devkit

But beyond rumors, we can have 12core (24 virtualcores) HD7000 based Amiga.
(Freescale T4240 SoC + HD7000 card)

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Well I only ever really worked on the M680x0 SMP problem a bit... and needed to have custom hardware to do it.

I would need to familiarize myself with the PPC processor on a sam440 or sam460 before I made any suggestions for the freidens.

I'm more than willing to help however I can, but I won't force anyone to listen to me.

Is it 16 *cores*, or 16 *threads* ? The subject says it's cores, while the article says "4 cores, with 4 threads each"...

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But beyond rumors, we can have 12core (24 virtualcores) HD7000 based Amiga. (Freescale T4240 SoC + HD7000 card)

To bad you'd need to write a new OS to take advantage of multiple cores...

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To bad you'd need to rewrite a new OS to take advantage of multiple cores...

If I'm not mistaken, that's what Hyperion is doing as part of progressing towards OS4.2

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@Leo

Multicore (they say it's full SMP) support is being built in AOS4.2.x.
Also MOS will get it, but (IIRC) only after architecture change.
AROS is initally getting AMP-SMP combination via Aeros.

There really is no way to avoid it. It needs to be done.

Official word:
"The multicore support design for AmigaOS allows support of all of these features over time starting in AmigaOS 4.2."

UPDATE:
I think the IBM next game chips are based on 476FP / 476S core.
(or a stripped down power7)

UPDATE:
It would be nice to get some news about these:
"C*Core C1000 is a family of 476FP core based embedded processors for consumer electronics.[18]
ChinaChip CC2000 is a 476FP core based processor with integrated DSP and GPU for game consoles."

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Maybe is the same used in the Wii U.

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Multicore (they say it's full SMP) support is being built in AOS4.2.x. Also MOS will get it, but (IIRC) only after architecture change. AROS is initally getting AMP-SMP combination via Aeros.

A rewrite is going to take years... Current OS isn't ready for that.

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AROS is initally getting AMP-SMP combination via Aeros.

wtf are you talking about? Aeros is a linux hosted distro that uses AROS as the window manager. it has nothing to do with SMP.

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Its "AMP-SMP combination" (kimmok tm).

@Leo

AOS4.2 release date is not set, right.

I've (we?) been lead to believe that SMP has been partially implemented since the dual G4 card of original A1. And that x1000 was supposed to be released with 4.2 already long time ago.

It took 10 years to get SMP polished and finetuned on x86, so I bet initially also AOS4.2 SMP will have some "issues" for some time.

I'll be disappointed if we do not see (at least) the first SMP (alpha) demo during this year.
(I assume SMP enabled kernel has been at the hands of (core) AOS4 testers for a while)

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doesn't change the fact you seem to know nothing about AROS and Aeros.

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@KimmoK: it's not only the kernel. The whole shared architecture of the OS poses problems... Thus the architectural change you heard about for MorphOS.

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@terminills

my Q: " assume AEROS can take use of multicore systems as well. Am I right?
(example: linux apps use all cores, AROS apps use core0 or core1 ?)"

A:
"yes Linux stuff can use everything.
OpenCL(nvidia) is there too.
AROS stays single core but you could run multiple AROS instances.
SO you could achieve something like spaces on OS X.
Or you could run Broadway, IcAROS, AspireOS at the same time."

Sounds like "AMP-SMP combination" to me. (on AEROS setup)

Other than that, also AROS need to get true multicore support, otherwise it's dead end.

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Having multiple instances of AROS running on top of Linux has nothing to do with Multicore support. I'm not saying AROS isn't moving towards multicore support. The ABIv1 Kernel can already see all the cores in a multicore X86 system. Unfortunately they're sitting idle(IE.Hi we're here... ZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZzzzz).

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@terminills
You are right. But kimmoks idea of "spaces" is possible already with AROS hosted.
You can run one instance for office work, on for gaming, one for audio and one for websurfing.

This can give some iprovements but it has nothing to do with Multicore support in AROS.

Combine it with this an you get ahhs and oohhh but still no real multicore support : )





But at least a reason to use a better CPU in an AresOne : p

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I know it can... I like the feature which is why I use AROS hosted on my Linux box. ;D

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@KimmoK

It would be funny if Microsoft caused PowerPC to be a powerful contender in the [console] market where Apple failed to do so. And also Motorola.

Imagine the irony, what helped to kill the Amiga, would help to bring alive the NextGen Amiga CPU said to be dying.

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