Well it seems that my AmigaOne XE G3 have some problems (?).

The machine will freeze on random time points. Mouse pointer would not move at all. Only reset is possible.

Let me give you some examples:

This would mostly happen when I try to open a video movie file, or listen to an internet radio station via AmigaAMP3, or transfer some files via AmiFTP... In general with more "complex" procedures.

The machine would remain stable doing nothing or just running WookieChat for example.

The machine was quite stable all those years. I was not using it a lot but have not faced similar problems in the past.

I THINK that this strange behavior started after after the install of AmigaOS 4.1.6 update... But I am not sure about that.

Have you got any ideas? Advice?

ps. Well I hardly remember that there were some lines on the kickstart file that should be commented -with an ";"- perhaps with the new kickstart file some changes made to those lines (?) and this is the source of the problem?

ps1: Some more info: I got a Catweasel that works great on Spirantho drivers and a wireless Network card. Both work very stable. Those items are the "Extras" of my machine. In general it is the well known G3 XE with a Radeon gfx and 512MB of RAM.

ps2 I do not mind going back to a previous update if this is the case.

I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR HELP GUYS THANKS!

Last edited by Morphix on 25-Feb-2013 at 05:55 PM.
Last edited by Morphix on 25-Feb-2013 at 05:52 PM.

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@Morphix

I dont know wether my situation was similar but my mouse would also freeze
but the rest of the system carried on working.
My solution was to use a different mouse.

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@Morphix

Going out on a limb here: If you suspect update6, why not just try to install update5 on a new partition?

Other than that, could it be overheating? Do you have a CPU fan? Is it (or the passive cooler if that's what you have) full of dust (my laptop was throttling down a lot last week and I found about half a kg of lint between the fan and the heat pipe cooler)? Anything you can do to test chilling it (cooling spray, simple compressed air) to see if that helps?

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@Morphix

Replace backup battery, this normal that computer acts strange before it stops booting.
If the computer has always been like this think about getting a quality PSU.

When you use software that is heavy on the CPU it can interfere whit USB stack / mouse, a quick fix is to use PS/2 mouse / keyboard because its interrupt driven, unlike the USB stack that is software driven protocol that has to pull information from the devices at a interval. when the computer slows down, so does the USB stack.

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@Morphix

This is the best place to start.
If you have a backup from before then compare the two kicklayout files.

Quote:

Morphix wrote: ps. Well I hardly remember that there were some lines on the kickstart file that should be commented -with an ";"- perhaps with the new kickstart file some changes made to those lines (?) and this is the source of the problem?

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@Morphix

It might also be a memory problem. A couple of years ago my XE-g3 developed similar issues. It turned out that my memory module had become defective (one of the chips on it had apparently failed). It would boot fine and be ok when running small apps. but lock up when larger ones were run. I ended up sending it in to Revanche LLC for repair, they also found a bad capacitor which may have contributed to the problem as well. Regarding the mouse, on my XE a usb mouse would frequently freeze, usually from boot. PS2 mice don't seem to have this problem on my XE.

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Thanks for the tips gus!

Will start booting from an old back (4.1.2).

Copying the backup files on a blank partition, would be enough right?

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I opened the tower, did not find any serious dust problems. There are three big fans inside to keep the lady cool.


The battery on the mobo was changed 4 years ago when I was building the XE. Should I change it again?

I also thought the bad RAM case...

If the problems remain after the backup boot, we shall discuss those.

Thanks A LOT!

I am getting back with updates!

Last edited by Morphix on 25-Feb-2013 at 06:56 PM.

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So how I would force the machine to boot from another partition and not the System one?

Ok made it bootable - changed the boot priority - lets see.

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@Morphix

You can test memory with this:

http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=utility/hardware/memtester.lzx

copy memtester to sys:c

Bit before kickstart is loaded, push left and right mousebutton, in early bootup menu choose boot without startup-sequence. As much as possible memory is free after starup.

If you run memtester without any switches, it allocates as much of memory as possible and runs test once.

If broblem is rare, it is good to run test two or three times.

Test is slow.

If memory module is broken, it most likely shows itself. If it is voltage or signaling problem, wich depending of load, maybe not :)

@Morphix

Mines been doing this recently too, thou mine could be the ram as 512mb died sometime ago. I've ordered some mem which should be here in the next few days, so Il find out if that solves the issue.

btw mines A1-XE G4

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@Morphix

At 4 years old I would definetly swap the battery, people started noticing the first problems well before 4 years had passed from these machines were new.

However, freezing isn't generally the symptom I would associate with a flat battery. That would be more "cannot see anything happening when I turn power on".

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@olegil

Batteryswapping is overgeneralised solution to problems.

@olegil

Batteryswapping is overgeneralised solution to problems.

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Hehe, so overgeneralised you had to mention it twice

But yes, it's overgeneralised. But that 686 southbridge really is a DOG when it comes to batteries. We threw away two perfectly fine ASUS Black Pearl motherboards from our servers back in the day (this being late 2002 or early 2003) because of the exact same issue. Upgrade kernel, reboot halts at saving clock. Card absolutely will not turn back on afterwards. Bought two new boards, installed one and had one in spare for the other server, within two weeks we had same problem on the other one...

Had I known then what I know now we would have saved SO much work that week

(also had a few older desktop machines set up for testing in the software lab experience the same sort of meltdown a couple of years later. the guy using them was mighty impressed when I just threw him a battery and his machine instantly came back to life)

Last edited by olegil on 25-Feb-2013 at 10:56 PM.

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This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

Hello guys!

Thanks once again for all your updates.

The problem remained after I booted on my backup OS.

I would run the software provided (THANKS) tot est the memory and I will start by ordering a new suitable memory module.

I will try to search for a new replacement battery, also. But it sounds more logical to me that this is a memory module problem, hopefully.

Can you please tell me EXACTLY what type of memory I need? And where Can I found one?

Thanks!


Thanks very much!

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Done the memory test it does not report any errors.

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so can someone please tell me EXACTLY what type of memory I need?

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@Morphix

Have you now 512mb stick? Same should be fine.

As my a1-se is open, i can check memory stick. It is delivered with mobo and is compatible.

@olegil

Ok, it is possibe, that swapping battery can cure instability :)

I changed battery from my a1-se yesterday. It was original. Voltage was 2,99V, where nominal is 3,0V and measured new is ~3.25V.

Is my SE broken :-p

Actually I changed battery for my peg2, where voltage eas 2,84V. Same time I decided change it to my SE.

It is spring, and time to service my amigas :)

@mlehto

Please check the memory stick and post specs here. I will be tomorrow on the place where I have this machine and I want to order the module now from somewhere.

Also what type of battery is it on need?
And is there anywhere on the net a photo of the mobo and where this battery is placed?

Sorry for so many questions but this is my first experience with the A1 Xe inner world.

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