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Franko wrote: @Rudei Quote: Rudei wrote: @SpaceDruid [quote]This is irony dear Americans Oh I sooo hope this was aimed at me dear boy because you are in for a shock.

Reckon SpaceDruids been round here long enough to KNOW you aint American...

No doub't he'll let you know himself... [/quote]

I can't wait.

Rude!

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@Rudei

And now I know. Too glazed and blinkered.

Rude!

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@All

This isn't going to go anywhere. Feel free to insult me as much as you like.
I understand your views, I don't understand the hatred that basically I BELIEVE undermines your point.

She was a figure that clearly divided opinion. Celebrating her death served nothing IMHO.
But each to their own.

If you have further issue with that, PM me.

Thanks and all the best,
Rude!

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Here's a wee video that is part of the ongoing legacy Thatcher left behind...

Ross Kemp's Extreme World Glasgow Poverty (2012)... (YouTube Video)

WARNING: Not For The Squeamish (Or Those In denial)...

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@Franko

Received and replied.

Rude!

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Rudei wrote: @All This isn't going to go anywhere. Feel free to insult me as much as you like. I understand your views, I don't understand the hatred that basically I BELIEVE undermines your point.!

Here's the thing Rudei...

I don't believe anyone has insulted you here...

You were the one after all whom said to The Daddy he has "no class" and yet when I say something similar to you, I get a PM claiming I insulted you !!!

Hopefully I've explained in my PM reply about that but like I said in the PM if you dish it out then don't complain when someone says something similar back...

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@Franko

I won't complain any further Franko, I clearly deserve all I get.

Rude!

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And now I know. Too glazed and blinkered.

No, just not that great a memory. I thought you were an Aussie or from Norfolk, but you've updated the model of your car and changed your location since last I studied the panel on the left so I forget the pattern in which I used to identify you. Generally location isn't a factor online so I don't tend to remember nationalities. For the most part it doesn't seem important. We're just people, right?

You were posting like a person who only got to experience Maggie from afar and mainly the US did nothing but glamorise her so my initial post is a reaction to the media of the country in which you list as your location at present and thus is the major source of your information on her now, regardless of the place you used to be located. Unless you have particular reason to know her, or you've been avoiding the media, the impression you are getting of this woman is a highly romanticised version played by Meryl Streep and not the true picture.

If you are not native to these lands or never lived under her claw then I understand your view. The malice would appear to be coming from us, you didn't have a context. I provided that context, or at least part of it. If however you were a native or experienced her first hand then that would utterly change the context of YOUR posts. That would either indicate you were one of the ones that rode into the sunset on the blood of fluffy kittens murdered by Thatcher in front of orphans as she took their milk away and then opened the gates to Nirvana that you drove to on a Ferrari painted fluffy kitten blood red or even worse, indifference to the suffering. That's the only reason I brought national identity up in any of my posts in this thread.

This secret code between you and Franko seemed to be hinting that you were a Brit or that your nationality was so obvious I was somehow a fool if I didn't know, so that changes the context of your posts if true, Sorry Franko and indeed you, that I don't recall the place of your birth. I wasn't aware we were going to be tested on this. This is typical, I always find out too late I was meant to do something... Pay my gas bill, put on trousers before leaving the house, don't try to destroy planet Earth with the red button, the blue button launches the death ray, the red button turns you into the last thing you ate.

I'm always the last to find out these things.

Well anyway, the point is since I don't actually remember what nationality you are, any insult is unintentional (unless you are a Brit after all then you support fluffy kitten murder you bastard! ) so don't go away feeling insulted. You are allowed to think of her as you will, that is neither my business or my point. My point is you are judging us, not her. You talk of insult like you are immune to giving it. It was me taking offense to your judging of us that sparked this entire conversation we are having.

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@SpaceDruid

I am a Brit. My 'judging' really was due to the celebrating death thing, that is all. I understand 'better' your views, heck maybe I never really got the overall effect she had on a lot of people but I learn quick.

Rude!

P.S. I love kittens and Ferraris are shit

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SpaceDruid wrote: This secret code between you and Franko seemed to be hinting that you were a Brit or that your nationality was so obvious I was somehow a fool if I didn't know, so that changes the context of your posts if true, Sorry Franko and indeed you, that I don't recall the place of your birth. I wasn't aware we were going to be tested on this.

Whit ra feck ur ye babblin oan aboot noo ya mad coo !!!

I thought the Rude! thought that you thought he was an American, so I though I'd make a post to Rude! to tell him that I think he was wrong and that I think you knew he wasn't American...

(I think that's right)...

He's been here since 2002 and you've been here since 2007 and you've both responded to each other posts in other threads (before he ran off to the USA with all that money Thatcher lined his pockets with) so I assumed that he should have known that you knew he wasn't a yank and so the comments posted were not directed at him being an ignorant yank...

Hope that clear it all up and we can get back on topic now...

Thatcher...

Yup I still hate her...

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@Franko

Sounds about right.

Do you Scots ever sleep?

Rude!

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Rudei wrote: Do you Scots ever sleep? Rude!

The rest of the nation does but I don't, that's why I'm here at this time in the morning, I've no one else to wind up till all the lazy buggers wake up...

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Rudei wrote: @SpaceDruid I am a Brit. My 'judging' really was due to the celebrating death thing, that is all. I understand 'better' your views, heck maybe I never really got the overall effect she had on a lot of people but I learn quick. Rude! P.S. I love kittens and Ferraris are shit

Yeah! I remembered something kinda! Was it Norfolk? And didn't your car used to be orange? Wait, I've ruined it now, you are from Lancaster and the car was yellow aren't you? My failings are exposed for all to see and mock...

And of course Ferraris are shit, their engines are made from the tears of baby seals in the moments before they are clubbed to death by Tory party members in their blood sacrifices to the lord Cameron so he doesn't transform into his true form.

I don't think the celebrating is actually celebration in the traditional sense. Certainly from a personal viewpoint there is quite a lot of relief in there. There was a point when it felt she was going to be around forever, in power.

Also you have to consider "government" is an anonymous impersonal entity that controls so much and has powers to do unspeakable evil, yet most of it is invisible. Maggie certainly wasn't that. She was the first Prime Minister to have a PR team and spent a not inconsiderable sum hiring Saatchi and Saatchi to promote her image around the world, the effects which can be seen today with this strange worldly affection for her in the media. The whole concept of spin was taken to a whole new level in politics by her, the "iron lady" and "this lady ain't for turning" were tested in focus groups by her speech writers (another first) before she uttered them. The whole thing was a masquerade to make her appear more fearsome and strong than she was. It worked fantastically well at the time, only by emulating her did Tony Bliar reverse the fortunes of the (then) left.

The effects on the people that suffered under he policies wasn't quite so positive. You couldn't get away from her, she was constantly on the news, in the papers, the subject of conversation. Having someone in your face as much as she was made you identify with her or a personal level in the same way you do people on soaps or reality shows. But unlike TV, she was directly affecting your life. Evicting your from your home, closing your schools, all the while this smiling woman with perhaps the most patronising voice in the history of humanity telling you if was for your own good.

People aren't dancing in the street because a stranger died. They are doing so because somebody very personal to them, that cause them personal suffering died.

Strangers might think it rude that two young girls are dancing on a grave, reveal that it is the grave of their child molesting uncle and the scene becomes more understandable. This is what you are seeing. As I'm doing in this thread, people are releasing a lot of emotion at her passing because we couldn't when she was alive. We had a bloody good go at it as seen in the Frankie Boyle clip, but there was never a single uniting moment when we could all do it at once.

And maybe, just maybe. Other people in power might see just how unpopular her policies were and are and will think twice about following her so closely, less it be their graves we are dancing on next. What better way to judge a life's true worth than when it ends?

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@Franko

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Whit ra feck ur ye babblin oan aboot noo ya mad coo !!!

Your hints... You can't hint to a cow? Don't you know that why you ended up eating horses? We are rubbish at hints. Drives us mad.

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I thought the Rude! thought that you thought he was an American, so I though I'd make a post to Rude! to tell him that I think he was wrong and that I think you knew he wasn't American...

Yep, but then you continued it so I thought it was a double bluff and he was German or Icelandic. Then it turned into a masonic secret handshake and I went back to remembering he was either an Aussie or Norfokien, but then thought he might be Canadian, because they are the ones that really get annoyed when you call them American. Apart from Iranians. They don't get angry, more beat you around the head with a stick and then make you kill a goat.. No wait, that's the Masons...And you don't kill the goat... unless you are REALLY vigorous... Wait, wut?

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He's been here since 2002 and you've been here since 2007 and you've both responded to each other posts in other threads (before he ran off to the USA with all that money Thatcher lined his pockets with) so I assumed that he should have known that you knew he wasn't a yank and so the comments posted were not directed at him being an ignorant yank...

Actually (he puts on a snobby voice), I've been here since the sites conception, though I had to kill my account for personal reasons (I went mad and tried to destroy the Earth with a machine that turns you into the last thing you ate) , after that I managed to lure that salesman with the laptop into this field and learned to type with my hooves while simultaneously finding out what humans taste like (A bit like giraffe).

Although not remembering with enough authority to state on record, I did remember Rudeupsidedownexclamationmark wasn't from the far side of the pond as this site was originally mainly European and in keeping with their fine tradition, the Americans didn't show up till after they were needed and proceeded to take over the place by which time Rudeupsidedownexclamationmark was already an established image of a car that may or may not have been orange.


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Hope that clear it all up and we can get back on topic now... Thatcher... Yup I still hate her...

After being allowed to vent a bit on this thread (I missed out on the dancing, cows don't get invites to parties, not since we found out vodka glasses are a perfect fit for our udders), I don't really feel anything for her right now. But it's 5 in the morning and I don't feel my legs either.

@Rudei

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Do you Scots ever sleep?

Thatcher took sleep away from us in Scotland. She claimed only the middle classes needed sleep as we didn't have jobs to go to in the morning anyway so it was a waste of resources.

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So you had no pleasure in the farthest reaches of your mind when you heard Bin Laden was dead?

I think they should have put Middle East down already on 70s after the first bombings, and I think it might have been good idea for Bush to having sent a nuke instead of attack there after 9/11, yet, when i heard Bin Laden was dead, I felt sad.

When people celebrated his death, I was even more sad.

It was not that i did not think geting him out of the game was a good thing, but i feel sad he had to die. And I felt even more sad that people are celebrating another humans dead, despite what ever he has done.

And dont get me wrong. I believe in death penalty from murder, but despite that I still feel sad that someone gets executed.

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Bugala wrote: I think they should have put Middle East down already on 70s after the first bombings, and I think it might have been good idea for Bush to having sent a nuke instead of attack there after 9/11, yet, when i heard Bin Laden was dead, I felt sad. When people celebrated his death, I was even more sad. It was not that i did not think geting him out of the game was a good thing, but i feel sad he had to die. And I felt even more sad that people are celebrating another humans dead, despite what ever he has done. And dont get me wrong. I believe in death penalty from murder, but despite that I still feel sad that someone gets executed.

Wow talk about being a total hypocrite... you just won first prize with that post mate...

You start of by saying you think it might have been a good idea for Bush to nuke the middle east and thereby kill an untold amount of innocent people whom had nothing to do with any bombings or 9/11...

Then you have the ruddy well cheek to go on and say you feel sad when people celebrate the death of genuinely evil individuals...

Are you for real !!!

Oh sorry maybe you just forgot to say you'd have felt sad too for all the innocent people Bush would have killed had he nuked them... my bad...

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I resent that! Ferraris are awesome...but that is for another thread.

I've been enjoying this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmomV-ax-s

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How can anyone celebrate someone dying?

It`s disgusting, I`m ashamed to be a part of this forum today

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Frags wrote: How can anyone celebrate someone dying? It`s disgusting, I`m ashamed to be a part of this forum today

Try reading the thread instead of reacting to it's existence?

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` I've waited Almost 34 Years To Hear This Great News...`

That`s all I need to see...

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