http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwAuNqH91EQ

This is in preparation for running on Raspberry Pi, just to show Arm Aros in action on a mobile device. Hopefully if people start to try it then the developers will join by porting their software. No excuse on cost, Raspberry Pi is only around $35

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dude that's just sick

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Lets just hope that you are down with the kids and that is good

Franko hates it, but heh, what else should we expect, "Live in the NOW dude".

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clusteruk wrote: @klx300r Franko hates it, but heh, what else should we expect, "Live in the NOW dude".

I don't hate it... I just don't see the point in it...

The "Now" has been and gone (it happened in the 80's, if you missed it then you missed something special), all that's left these days is the boring same old, same old...

Innovation in computers died in the mid 90's and all that's been since then are people who think faster processors are all a computer should be about these days...

So I'll just continue to live happily in the "THEN" safe in the knowledge that I actually enjoy using my old hardware and it still does what it does perfectly and as designed for, without "needing" it to be faster or basically just another modern day PC which lets face it, if I wanted all that speed & "realistic gfx" I'd be as well just nipping out to PCWorld and buying a PC...

Wake me up when something genuinely exciting or innovative actually happens in computers again, or rather dig me up, cos I'll most likely be dead by then...

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@Franko

Come on, you use a Mac for web browsing by your own admission whereas I use Aros as well as a Mac.

There have been a huge number of advances that the Amiga had NOTHING to do with since the 80's which is a massive shame, but maybe with new development in Aros, MorphOS and AmigaOS4 we may get to make a diference in the distant future again like we did in the past.

But thank god you are not in control, or we would still all be using floppy disk based machines because the external parts do not have Amiga on them.

Amiga can help to inspire again one day if we excite the new generation but we are not good enough yet, I am working hard to get us all ready.

If you want the truth Amiga stopped being ground breaking after the A1000 but it created something special that could be evolved and it certainly evolved into a great range of hardware. I see this work as just part of that evolution.

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Come on, you use a Mac for web browsing by your own admission whereas I use Aros as well as a Mac.

Yup, cos that's all the Mac is good for...

I've said it plenty of times that the the Amiga is no good for the net but then the internet is hardly "computing" and is just a form of communication and is something I can take or leave, using the internet or not has nothing to do with my enjoyment of the Amiga...


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There have been a huge number of advances that the Amiga had NOTHING to do with since the 80's which is a massive shame,

Like what !!!

Faster processors, more realistic gfx !!!

Hardly innovative...


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But thank god you are not in control, or we would still all be using floppy disk based machines because the external parts do not have Amiga on them.

Don't know me very well, do you...

Wouldn't recommend using floppies to anyone and been using hard disks since I got my first A1000...


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Amiga can help to inspire again one day if we excite the new generation but we are not good enough yet, I am working hard to get us all ready.

The Amiga always has had the ability to inspire and if people really want to use them then there is nothing to stop them purchasing an Amiga from the likes of eBay...

Get us all ready for what !!!

I'm already ready and have been since the 80's... running things faster isn't getting ready for anything, it's just a sign of modern day living that people want things done yesterday and must work "straight out the box" and they don't make the time to actually enjoy using computers with the old excuse "I'm too busy and haven't the time"...

If people can't find the time to enjoy things in life then they've got their priorities wrong...


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If you want the truth Amiga stopped being ground breaking after the A1000 but it created something special that could be evolved and it certainly evolved into a great range of hardware. I see this work as just part of that evolution.

The truth to you maybe but not to me. The A1200 was the last evolution/ advance we saw...

Trouble is, "Evolution" in computers has become nothing much more than a need for speed since those days and nothing else, hardly ground breaking or innovative if you ask me...

Nah... I'll stick with things the old way, where I have to think, work things out, learn & educate myself and actually get fun and enjoyment out of using a computer. While you all "evolve" into the future where things are done so fast they'll be done as soon a you think it and there'll be no actual enjoyment or fun left in using a computer...

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Sorry no time to go through all that, but I two had one of the first hard drives on my A1000 plus I also developed with help from talented people a lot of ground breaking hardware and software.

My point is I choose to move forward, you stay in the past, and two comments prove to me all I need to know about you.

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Yup, cos that's all the Mac is good for...

Wow, got that wrong and I am not a Macboy.

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then the internet is hardly "computing" and is just a form of communication

Crazy man.

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Superb.

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Sorry no time to go through all that,

Typical... life's too fast these days to read or answer a few questions (you must be too busy sitting at home making videos about portable devices), kinda proves one of the things I was saying (had you found the time in your busy lifestyle to read it)...


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Wow, got that wrong and I am not a Macboy.

Erm... who claimed you were a "Macboy" !!!


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Crazy man.

WHO... me or you !!!

The internet IS nothing more than a form of communication, nothing more nothing less...

You don't NEED or REQUIRE the internet to use a computer, it's nothing more than a good idea for sharing knowledge that was hijacked by business for nothing more than commercial purposes (and strange people gibbering every single boring thing they do in life on the likes of Twatter)...

PS: There's nothing wrong with being "Crazy", in fact I highly recommend it although I've upgraded these days to being Insane...

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I can agree with the part that computers are not inventive anymore. Other than that you are kind of out of this world ;)

A computer does not have to be crazy fast, but it should a least be able to view a 2MP JPEG picture without having to make dinner before it is loaded. I rather watch HD video instead of looking at old PAL res.. It just makes a movie more realistic and more true to the original recordings. The same can be said about sound. Paula is just not able to play sound in the way artist have recorded it in studio for almost 100 years. Sure lots of good computer music where made with Amiga or even C-64 SID, but it is important to be able to play sampled sounds more realistic.

@ClusterUK

Nice to see AROS running on the ARM prosessor. I realy hope that ARM can be a platform where AROS can grow and continiue the Amiga spirit.

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Other than that you are kind of out of this world ;)

Nah... I see it more as, I'm the one trapped in Disneyland screaming at the gates to be let out, while on the other side of the gates is everyone else screaming to be let in...


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A computer does not have to be crazy fast, but it should a least be able to view a 2MP JPEG picture without having to make dinner before it is loaded.

That all depends on what your making for dinner I suppose...


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I rather watch HD video instead of looking at old PAL res.

Trouble with HD is you need a flatscreen LCD or Plasma TV/ Monitor to view them, and until the day arrives when they can actually make an LCD or Plasma screen with no motion blur then it's kinda pointless watching a sharper picture that blurs when anything moves fast on it...

I'll stick with blur free cathode ray tubes and PAL until then,,,


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Sure lots of good computer music where made with Amiga or even C-64 SID, but it is important to be able to play sampled sounds more realistic.

Ah the old "realistic" word again...

Think your missing the point there, what made the music people created on the Amiga and the C64 so damn good in the first place was the very fact it's was not "realistic" or "perfectly sampled"....

They had their very own unique sound to them that set them apart from "perfectly realistic sampled sounds", which these days just all sound the same and are nothing like the music made on the likes of the C64 where you had to actually create each sound and not just sample it...

If you want "more realistic" perfectly sampled sounds, why bother... just bung a CD in a player and listen to that instead, same goes for gfx, why create all those games these days that are so realistic (and boring in gameplay) when if you really want such realistic gfx you'd be as well just sticking an action movie in your DVD player and watching that instead...

I'll never understand why people need or want everything on a computer to be "perfect" or "realistic" as when you do that your taking away one of the greatest things computers do best, which is using them to create stuff that doesn't look or sound like you filmed it with a video camera or just taken a photo or it sounds just like an audio recording...

If that's what you want then you don't need a computer... like I say, just watch a movie or listen to an audio CD and leave computers to create things that look like and sound like they were actually created on a computer...

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When will they be supporting full qwerty
android phones ? Touchscreen kb's suck a***
i look forward to the day that we can control the sim side of the phone so i don't have to use the android side ever !
Can you please tell me more about this port, your plans who did it, some stories related to the porting, thx.

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clusteruk wrote: @klx300r Lets just hope that you are down with the kids and that is good Franko hates it, but heh, what else should we expect, "Live in the NOW dude".

LOL..well let's just say that with a 7 and 4 year old of my own I'm ALWAYS down with the kids (though usually from exhaustion)

I think it's just amazing that AROS runs on the Galaxy smartphone and I'm having a fun time with AspireOS on my netbook lately...it's really impressive work being put out by the AROS team...cheers to all you guys for keeping the spirit of Amiga alive

as for Franko, let him be that ol git I'll have more respect for him when he finally uses an Amiga (A1-X500 or X1000, AROS or MOS) to browse the web rather than that Apple product he currently uses

(disclaimer: the above statement does not apply to Franko's squirrels)

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See if someone can get it running an a device with an "Allwinner A10".

It's only a Cortex A8 and single core Mali 400 GPU but it pretty much owns the bottom end of the market. There's no end of cheap tablets (£70!) based on it and there's also a netbook now (running Android 4).

I seen it running a graphics demo the other day and it was surprisingly good for such a low end chip.

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klx300r wrote: [quote] clusteruk wrote: @klx300r as for Franko, let him be that ol git I'll have more respect for him when he finally uses an Amiga (A1-X500 or X1000, AROS or MOS) to browse the web rather than that Apple product he currently uses (disclaimer: the above statement does not apply to Franko's squirrels)

Oh well... looks like I'm gonna be disrespectful in your eyes then... cos unless the NatAmi ever sees the light of day I'll be using these old iMacs fro the web...

PS: Me Squirrels only use Acorn's for all their computing needs...

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@ClusterUK

Not really my kettle of fish, but interesting video nonetheless.

@Franko

While my favorite computer is my a1200 (perhaps my amithlon box, its a toss up) I think its a bit,... lets say, "quirky" to downplay the advances made since the amiga. Your claim that things are just faster these days is both a little naive (a modern gpu is a lot more than just faster vs. an older gpu fora random example) and contradictory. The Amiga itself had no massive innovations. It was simply faster with more realitstic visuals and audio than had come before.

At the same time, the repeated claims by nikolaos that "it takes ages to just decode a jpeg", and talk of PAL resolutions, etc. are just as quirky. Moderate resolution Jpegs load nearly instantly on my humble '040, pal resolutions are just an option rather than all there is and so on and so forth. He's been told this before of course, but apparently chooses to ignore it. I guess cos when trying to give a negative impression reality doesnt make as strong an arguement. If I encounter something that isnt a great match for my a1200 then I'll do the job on something that is. Doesnt make me enjoy my amiga any less and its not like I use my amiga for mindless type computing anyway (videos, viewing photos, etc.). I'll save that for the generic type devices.

The thing the real amigas still have going for them though is character. Interesting software and interesting hardware. It's a platform unto itelf. Although Im a fan of both old and new it cant be denied that modern hardware is a lot more sterile and generic.

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While my favorite computer is my a1200 (perhaps my amithlon box, its a toss up) I think its a bit,... lets say, "quirky" to downplay the advances made since the amiga. Your claim that things are just faster these days is both a little naive (a modern gpu is a lot more than just faster vs. an older gpu fora random example) and contradictory. The Amiga itself had no massive innovations. It was simply faster with more realitstic visuals and audio than had come before.

While I understand and partially agree with that, what I'm saying is the difference since the Amiga is most people only seem to want a computer that is faster than their last one and even more realistic gfx and is for the most part all that seems important to them when it comes to computers...

What I don't get about that (and this is where I disagree with you) the Amiga could be looked at as "simply being faster" or had "more realistic visuals & audio" than what had came before but the point I'm making is anyone could still look at or listen to those visuals and audio and recognise straight away they had been created on a computer...

If all I want is more quality audio for listening to music then I use a simple device that was designed to to just that and doesn't require GHz of processing power to do so and it's called a CD player...

Same goes for gfx, when I look at all the games advertised on TV these days they all just look like clips from the latest Sci Fi/ Action movie where someone runs around killing and blowing up everything in sight and where the plot is, well there usually is no plot and it's just a case of run around and kill and blow up everything. For that I'd be as well just bunging a DVD in my DVD player and watching that instead...

To me computer games and computer gfx should look like, well... computer games & computer gfx and computer music should sound like it was created on a computer, not a poor substitute for either a real movie by trying to make them look so realistic they have no time to actually make them enjoyable or have any decent gameplay or musically sound like the talentless pop stars these days who can't play their own instruments (real ones i mean), or write songs and basically just sing along to a collection of sampled instruments that someone in a studio knocked up for them on a PC...

That's what I don't get about "modern computing" it's basically got sod all to do with computing anymore for most folk and is nothing more than an extension of TV and a thing for playing MP3's on, where's the fun (or even computing) in that when you already most likely have dedicated devices in your house that can perform those tasks better...

Guess I just take a different view on most things in life than the majority do but hey, I'm happy with that and there's no harm in me wishing there were a few more folk who thought the same around...

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I guess a lot of that comes down to the user though. In fact that's one of the bigger reasons that modern computing is perhaps less charismatic than back in the amigas heyday,.... what people do with the machines. These days it seems a focus is on media, rather than "computing".

There are exceptions of course, but it seems that as computers get "smarter" the people using them get dumber, or at very least lacking in imagination.

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I had that crappy 060 once. Incompatible and still to slow to load a 2MP picture in 2012, or in 2000 for that matter. Fishy: Just make a video of your 040 then, loading a 2MP instantly, don't cache it first, if that is what you are doing.

So PAL with old CRT TV looks smoother or better than todays Digital TVs. That is totaly out of this world too. Yes, before LCD sceens had response problems, but not today. Plasmas, DLP never had any responce problems.
Watching PAL 50hz or NTSC 60hz is so bad for the eyes cause it flickers like hell. I know CRT monitors could do 120hz or whatever and yes, that helped a lot. Do you want to know why Hollywood movies have motion problems. It is not cause of digital sceens but it is partly the limit of 24fps and that the PAL or NTSC standard have to do the convention to 50 or 60hz that will add aditional fps. If you want to look at the best motion even go get a digital TV that supports native 24fps and a blu-ray player that can do the same and enjoy the best motion in Hollywood movies ever seen at home screen.

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