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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 1:25:16
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| @itix You misunderstand me. I am not making any accusation about MorphOS, all I am trying to do is say the original accusation was reasonable on the evidence, but an accusation does not make anyone guilty, it is no more than a belief built on some observations.
There i8s a big difference between this type of accusation and one designed to libel, and is based not on any reasonable reading of any evidence.
Yes Dave Haynie is the source of the evidence, the evidence is not however very substantial and boils down to Daves observation of a fragment of code, and his deductions as to the meaning of it. Other explanations are logically possible, and with all due respect to Dave, he might have been honestly mistaken to some degree, but he is a genuine third party in all of this and has nothing to win from either side.
However, if the evidence is not all that strong (ire is open to debate and qualification) it is sufficient evidence to raise an accusation, over what is from a company IPs position, an important matter -- but as I said accusations prove nothing.
The thing that gets me is that this episode is always sighted as the proof of anti-morphOS intentions. Yet if you look at it squarely it was promoted by a third party observation and raised as an accusation which cited its sources.
The atmosphere might not have been all that pleasant at the time, but what happened was straightforward enough.
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Now I need to add rider to all this, on ethics as against legalisms. MorphOS started, I believe when AmigaOS as an official project had not begun and when there may have been some disinterest in Amiga Inc reviving the OS (this is an assumption which may bnot be true).
Morally MorphOS in starting such a project which would at the time and from their perspective not be done otherwise has in my way of thinking a perfect right to use whatever material is at hand regardless of IP ownership.
I am not saying this is so, just that if were so I see no ethical problem, given that the thing would be dead otherwise (a reasonable assumption at the time in other words).
Legally this is not so, but when legality and ethics clash I support ethics.
Now when Amiga Inc started again the AmigaOS project, things change, the code is no longer abandoned (if such code was available) and the MorphOS team have a moral duty to rewrite anything they have they may not have written or only changed in a superficial way.
Ethically I believe this to be their only obligation under in the context I outline above, and I am not suggesting that any such code was in fact used (you can legally derive your code from someone else's, so long as you don't import one into the other and the rewrite is thorough -- how you might have come by the code, well that is another matter).
I believe this has long been a dead issue, because if I was in the shoes of the MorphOS team the issue would have long been resolved in any practical sense long ago and without any legal or ethical problem.
Now I will point out that this issue is not being kept alive by Amiga inc, as far as I know, but is frequently revived by those offended that such an accusation was made in the first place. As I have3 tried to show above, there is no reason for offense to be taken, the accusation was reasonable to raise even if proved totally untrue. Last edited by GregS on 06-Apr-2005 at 01:27 AM.
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 1:36:16
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| @Interesting
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Long time ago Moobunny used to be fun. Then it became a battleground, and yes I did get involved in the battle. It was one of the few places that I could get replys from BBRV, foolish as many were. Moobunny changed under BBRV's control. I no longer feel comfortable posting there. |
Alright, I have to say something here because this is probably THE most unfair comment I've ever heard considering Moobunny is what YOU personally made it into.
You, literally crapflooded Moobunny for months. The entre site was at the mercy of your personal whims for months at a time, it couldn't have been worse if you had actually OWNED moobunny.
Then you come to Amigaworld, and blame Moobunny for the mess you walked away from?
You said it yourself, Moobunny offered something you couldn't find somewhere else, so you raped what you wanted from the site and left it for dead when you satisfied your manly needs, soiling it for everyone else.
If you treated this site the same way, you'd see the same happen here.
In a way, this site is being raped too. This site doesn't condone the abuse of other sites at all, but it tends to get that reputation unfairly when certain people keep leaving bloody footprints from abuse they've commited elsewhere leading right to a post here talking about how bad that other place and abuse was.
Tired of all this "this site this, that site that" crap. Some of us read all the sites. They're all the same, just sheets of paper the users write on. Why shold anyone behave differently depending where they are? Why's it the paper's fault what you write on it?
Why is anything Moobunny's or AmigaWorld's fault? I've heard of blaming the messenger, but You were the messenger, the Message was yours, and you blamed the vehicle you carjacked to deliver it. I like Moobunny, I like AmigaWorld. I notice what you are talking about, but I also see your footfrints and those sneakers arn't sponsored by either site._________________ "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you." - Oscar Wilde |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 4:23:52
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| @itix
IMO these issues should have remained out of view of the general public. Sadly a formal Amiga Inc executive warning letter got leaked into the public, allegedly by a (drunk!?) Thendic employee according to BBRV. This caused much public turmoil and public follow-ups from various community representatives addressing the issue were IMO to be expected. |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 5:41:10
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| @Theodosius
Don't worry about this man -- everyone here knows that moobunny is a POS site that's frequented by losers who have nothing better to do than start trouble. Speaking of which, why do we allow blue trolls to cause so much discord on these forums? Their posts need to be ignored as junk. Not sure why they want to hang around here -- morphzone seems to be where they should be. This is not intended as a personal attack on anyone, but you don't see prominent amigaworld.net users posting BS on morphzone -- shouldn't the same courtesy be expected in return? Last edited by cell on 06-Apr-2005 at 05:55 AM.
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 5:46:21
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| @cell It is probably not a good thing to name people in the way you have, sometimes simple diplomacy and generalizations work well enough to get the message across.
I have posted this message just as little warning to the thread – that when sensitive matters are discussed sensitivity needs to increase a little.
Sorry cell to use your post as an explemplar. _________________ Greg Schofield, Perth Australia |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 5:57:01
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| @GregS
Agreed -- thanks for putting my head back on straight -- I had blown my top for a second. |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 6:22:12
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Speaking of which, why do we allow blue trolls to cause so much discord on these forums? Their posts need to be ignored as junk |
Magnetic/Realize is already banned so I wonder which blue trolls there are left to annoy you so much? Maybe I spend too little time here but I haven't noticed any blues who could be labeled as 'trolls' here lately.
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 6:33:05
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And DJBase and his amazing multiple accounts was booted....
'Pegasos/Christina' got him/herself in a pickle...
Moobunny in a nutshell:
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DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed! ARTHUR: Bloody peasant! DENNIS: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?
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I used to study alongside a few extreme left wing activists who would go on demos, break windows and nick something then when they got arrested they would claim it was a political arrest just to big themselves up.
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 6:46:48
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'Pegasos/Christina' got him/herself in a pickle... |
Who the hell is pegasos/christina, and more importantly, is she free for dating? |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 6:47:58
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Evas sister.
You know that moderators and users on computing sites are supposed to be more tolerant and in awe of the female nickname? Well this person tried that one, and it was plainly obvious......
You should try that one yourself. |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 7:33:57
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| @hooligan
Oh I was SOOO close to hitting that button. But then I remembered I actually LIKE purple. And technically mucosa (which foreskin, inside of mouth etc etc) are rather purplish to begin with, so I figured you wouldn't be THAT much of a bad boy.
But stop dissing migdet polish-persons or I WILL report you next time. _________________ This weeks pet peeve: Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean. |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 7:47:22
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You should try that one yourself. |
From now on people can call me.. Angelique. |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 7:48:46
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Magnetic/Realize is already banned so I wonder which blue trolls there are left to annoy you so much? |
Realize/Magnetic's forum posting priviledges were restricted for a specified amount of time. AFAIK he was never banned and he's not restricted anymore. Of course if he crosses the line again there will likely be toucher measures. |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 7:57:19
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Of course if he crosses the line again |
Naah.. you know he is known of learning from first warning |
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 8:09:30
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This site gets upwards of 8000 unique visitors a day, so despite the odd whinge of the odd bit of plankton on moobunny it must be doing something OK.
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 8:13:01
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 8:19:45
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This site gets upwards of 8000 unique visitors a day, so despite the odd whinge of the odd bit of plankton on moobunny it must be doing something OK. |
May I ask why you have such an urge to bring up Moobunny all the time? Personally I couldn't care less about Moobunny, nor I ever read or comment there. The site look hideous and IMO offers zero entertainment-value.
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 8:19:52
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| I said at the begining of this thread to delete it. The reasons are now obviosly clear.
@TMHG
It's a shame you were unable to see my "wise words" also apply to you. This thread had turned into Yet Another Flame (YAF) thanks in no small part to you.
If it was your intention to make yourself look like an idiot, you have succeded fantasticly well. Anyone with a brain knows that this website's moderation is a fair as you can get (For an Amiga site). You comments to the contry just make you look like you dropped your rattle out of your pram.
Why not grow up or go away. Either I'm sure will make the genuine "Community" thankfull.
Funny, before this thread, I was prepared to give you a chance. But now I see you really are just a pathetic troll.
@Amiga Community
Stop replying to tossers like this. Ignored, they just become irrelevant.
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 8:20:19
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| Oh crap, it's starting again. Links to moobunny threads, "BBRV said that", the words "blue troll".
Sheesh, I thought this was all over. I guess I was wrong, no-one's really grown up.
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Re: In continuance of the AROS wanted by BBRV thread... Posted on 6-Apr-2005 8:23:33
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