@Reaps

like this?

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@alx

That's sort of what I was thinking, but not just an A1200 wedge (they'd be a bit of a bugger for a dealer to put together). I can imaging the issues they're facing with the wedge - cooling, expansion etc. Personally, I think the wedge, for serious, modern (read "hot") hardware has passed its prime.

Cheers!

Reaps: You are better that me to explan what I mean ;)

I'm working computer industry and I feeling to be expertized enough to say that only possible solution to sell and get "plug and play amiga" is use industry standard parts. Cheap chinesse case with Amiga stiker.

BUT as I said 899¤ for a computer doesn't sounds that bad than 699¤ for a MOBO

I'm sorry for that opinion, and I sure hope that reality desing could make their case cheap in enough.

We gotta remember that that to buil computer with really expensive mobo, expensive case and expensive keyboard cuold make REALLY expensive computer. I'm quessin that Amiga with reality desing case and keyboard should be about 1300 - 1500¤ to be possible manufacture and get a costs paid.

Amiga needs a new users to get some future, thats why amiga needs a official look and thats why it should be sold as a plug and play computer.

Another important thing is find out what are strongness of amiga os.

That would make easier to find that small market area were would be a future of amiga.

My suggestions is

Fast boot and I think that could easily make even faster

Possibility to buil "custon guis", I'm meanin that putting end of startup-sequnce something else than LOADWB, that makes possible build something like "multimedia desktop" or any other application without Amiga OS GUI under it.

Anyway Amiga OS is loaded without GUI.

Can I just but in here with all this talk of a knowledgebase and all...

IntuitionBase.com has had FAQ sections since the very beginning, and they have been woefully neglected. I dont recall when I last had to moderate an FAQ submission.

Perhaps those knowledgable people out there could write in submissions for me to add that cover these repeating questions that we see here.

I also have a hardware and software compatable database too that are getting quite extensive but could still do with more user input.

Finally I want to comment on the pace of evolution with IntuitionBase, we are a small understaffed team. We have no graphics artist working for us and besides myself only 2 coders able to work on it, and they very rarely have the time to do any work and my coding ability is very limited. So while I appologise if IntuitionBase.com isnt as nice to use as some other places I am trying and I do keep it upto date as often as I can.

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@Wiffy

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Wiffy wrote: @utri007 Quote: And I'm quite sure that advertaising MOBO ONLY doesn't give a good image about company trustablity of amiga etc. Don't really follow your line of reasoning here, can you explain? ( ps: Hi T_Bone )

Wassap!

@AWnaughts
What's going on here? What's with this mutiny when you guys are so close to the prize? Is Mai really dead or is that just an Anona-Moobrumor? Hardware comes and goes, there's still the OS, right? There will always be other hardware, it's obsolete before it even loses that "new motherboard" smell.

If Mai is no more, I know why Alan is taking his time responding to everyone, he's probably sitting at his kitchen table chainsmoking unfiltered Pal-Mals drinking coffe and biting his nails as thoughts of "Jes*s F*** c***** what the hell am I going to do about this sh**, g***amnit!" repeat through his head as he contemplates Elton John's "Goodbye yellow brick road" and dreams of a simpler life of farming, wondering where he went wrong.

Then there's the dealers who have probably been fed up feeling like they're getting stuck with complaints and blame that they currenty can't pass up the chain because Eyetech are still shellshocked and frozen by "Corporate posttraumatic stress disorder" by the whole thing.

Take all this with big doses of kosher salt, I've only heard a few things and just let my imagination fill in the blanks , but Eyetech are in a bad position, they always have been. This whole Aone business was the plan B to the Escena thing that never happened, and this has all been contingent on Mai, and so far what Mai customers haven't taken a bath? Both Eyetech and Genesi have at least handled the Mai situation better than the others, who simply blew off their plans for motherboard products completely.

Backplates? C'mon! buy a freaking case! Even in PC land that's a silly complaint.

You guys had my hopes up that not everyone in the world are cynical b*st*rds (like me ), don't let me down now, after all this! Hey, if Amiga Inc couldn't kill the Amiga, who else could?

disclaimer: I'm out of the loop, have no idea what I'm talking about yada yada haven't been following any Amiga news for months after turning to the dark side (windows!) but still stick around because I'd miss most of you if the Amiga sites wern't here, well, that and I'd have to get new bookmarks and that's a pain.

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@T_Bone

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T_Bone wrote: @Wiffy after turning to the dark side (windows!)

rock on dude!

Long time no see

As for the other stuff you write about, I have no answers for, just wanted to say hi.

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@T_Bone

Main point is.. I make this easy :)

Amiga OS needs a new users to get them use/back to amiga that why I'm saying "we need a plug and play computer."

I don't need anything else than MOBO but this is not about me or people in amigaworld.net we are techies and propeller heads, unlike the others ;)

99.99% people doesn't want to buy mobo they want to buy a computer.

And computer look better in photos.

@utri007

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BUT as I said 899¤ for a computer doesn't sounds that bad than 699¤ for a MOBO

Sounds cheap compared to an A4000 back in 1992 @approx £2,000 (2,908¤, 'cept Euro didn't exist then )

@Ryu

Yes so has AW (see modules to the left), no-one ever uses that either..

Mark

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@GuruMeditation

You're on to something here

I certainly know how it feels, having been the resident Linux expert. The problem is that even though we (computer users in general) don't trust companies like Microsoft, we're all too eager to try out a trick from a guy down at the pub.

Either it must be ok to censor bad advice, or we must make a proper FAQ about these things.

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Anyone interested?

@T_Bone

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What's going on here? What's with this mutiny when you guys are so close to the prize? Is Mai really dead or is that just an Anona-Moobrumor? Hardware comes and goes, there's still the OS, right? There will always be other hardware, it's obsolete before it even loses that "new motherboard" smell.

Thats what I was thinking this morning, its really all about the OS and always has been, even when I used my A1200T and my A4000. I loved it, not because of the graphics (which were good but even then a bit sloooow in 128 colour/256 colour mode ) but because of the Operating System.

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If Mai is no more, I know why Alan is taking his time responding to everyone, he's probably sitting at his kitchen table chainsmoking unfiltered Pal-Mals drinking coffe and biting his nails as thoughts of "Jes*s F*** c***** what the hell am I going to do about this sh**, g***amnit!" repeat through his head as he contemplates Elton John's "Goodbye yellow brick road" and dreams of a simpler life of farming, wondering where he went wrong.

That sounds like a fair scenario . I think that all these things are connected, the leak of product information on MAI ftp, the site suddenly dissapearing. The court case we knew was coming, right, thats been on the horizon for a while but what its about and what its for I dont know. I know you cant sue a bankrupt company so...

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Then there's the dealers who have probably been fed up feeling like they're getting stuck with complaints and blame that they currenty can't pass up the chain because Eyetech are still shellshocked and frozen by "Corporate posttraumatic stress disorder" by the whole thing.

Again, sounds like the case to me.

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Take all this with big doses of kosher salt, I've only heard a few things and just let my imagination fill in the blanks , but Eyetech are in a bad position, they always have been. This whole Aone business was the plan B to the Escena thing that never happened, and this has all been contingent on Mai, and so far what Mai customers haven't taken a bath? Both Eyetech and Genesi have at least handled the Mai situation better than the others, who simply blew off their plans for motherboard products completely.

Agreed.

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Backplates? C'mon! buy a freaking case! Even in PC land that's a silly complaint.

Hehehehe right on I got a backplate for the A1XE with the case I bought from Eyetech and Ive been using that with the lite.

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You guys had my hopes up that not everyone in the world are cynical b*st*rds (like me ), don't let me down now, after all this! Hey, if Amiga Inc couldn't kill the Amiga, who else could?

No one, it seems. ITs the walking undead and this site is full of people who know that and don't let it stop them. Sure, every so often we have to reach for the U-HU glue to stick a bit back on and sometimes a leg is put on the wrong way round but its up and walking.

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disclaimer: I'm out of the loop, have no idea what I'm talking about yada yada haven't been following any Amiga news for months after turning to the dark side (windows!) but still stick around because I'd miss most of you if the Amiga sites wern't here, well, that and I'd have to get new bookmarks and that's a pain.

OK, this should make you feel better then:



The guy from bellsouth.net ( whose IP matches a very famous Amiga user ) who posted that drivel on moo was clearly flamebaiting or had been on the meths but things are looking a bit crappy in a way, but in another they arent.

Bad stuff:

- Whats up with MAI/MIA
- Eyetech silence/dealers under NDA unable to talk, shouldn't talk, users getting peed off
- Amiga Inc coming back
- Various people flouncing off the forums recently

Good stuff:

- dealers and users getting together
- ACK on its way
- AmigaOS4 getting better and better
- Getting close to the 400 units of downloadable free software for AmigaOS4 on os4depot
- things happening, developments kicking off
- Some nice people at Amiga Inc maybe having a paying job again (?)

@T_Bone

Sorry, all PC motherboards I've bought so far came with custom backplates. I've got several boxes and none of the backplates they came with, fit any of the mobos, including the Pegasos. Backplates are always a custom story. It would not be expensive for eyetech to mass order some to sell to users, they would cost peanuts. On the other hand, a user buying them in small (singular) quantities would have to pay over 10$.

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@utri007

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utri007 wrote: @T_Bone Main point is.. I make this easy :) Amiga OS needs a new users to get them use/back to amiga that why I'm saying "we need a plug and play computer." I don't need anything else than MOBO but this is not about me or people in amigaworld.net we are techies and propeller heads, unlike the others ;)

No matter how much Eyeam (Does he read these forums, Hi Eyeam! ) dreams about it, the Amiga will always be a niche market. That's not to say it can't grow, but it will still ultimately be limited to the alt-OS freaks and geeks, not that that's a bad thing, that's actually a pretty large market, but it's not a market looking to replace a Windows machine with an Amiga (if they tried, it would end in tears). Millions of people try out linux, very very few actually replace Windows with it, and with Linux they wouldn't even NEED to buy any new hardware to do so, even in spite of this advantage, most won't replace Windows.

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99.99% people doesn't want to buy mobo they want to buy a computer. And computer look better in photos.

Who (other than Amigans) would consider buying an Amiga at all? It would take more than a picture of a computer and a screenshot to make anyone shell out money for an OS they've never used before. Sure Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga Inc(?)(they still around?) are marketing this too narrowly, but expanding their marketing efforts outside of the altOS crowd would be a largely wasted effort.

Hell, I LOVE AmigaOS, and I've been tempted to buy an A1 or pegasos or both for a long time, and I just can't justify it, tempting as the screenshots are.

Bah. this is an old topic anyway. There ARE prebuilt AmigaOne's, arn't there?

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@jkirk

Just to refute some ####;

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1) the pegasos had no version of os4. 2) the negativity at the time prohibited any dealings as well as bbrv. 3) if the did want to use the pegasos bplan/genesi would have charged considerably more in order to make a profit leaving motherboard prices as much if not higher than current prices. 4) why buy a motherboard that cannot be labeled with the eyetech/aone brand. or if it was relabeled be identical to your competitor's board. 5) who would buy a licence for the amiga name brand then not be able to use it for their designed systems. ( this is in response to the dub any kind of hardware crack)

1) Neither did the AmigaOne SE and XE when you bought them years ago.

2) Genesi has never had any negativity towards OS4 and even welcome the port, if Hyperion dared to up tools and actually do it. Ben Hermans went to Paris and met with Bill about it. Who's decision was it to not port? It certainly wasn't Bill's and never was in the first place. It's never been any different as company policy. What Ralph thinks is different - he is entitled to his opinion on potentially competitive operating systems. Nobody ever stopped Hyperion from buying boards in any case.

3) Eyetech and other resellers have been and still are able to buy boards at the standard reseller discounts offered to *all* resellers. It does not matter if it is meant for OS4, or Linux, we do not make this distinction WHATSOEVER. Any paying customer is welcome.

4) You can buy a Pegasos and name it Percy if you want, and sell it on your website with a free bumper sticker and a leaflet on testicular cancer. If OS4 was ported to Pegasos, how would the Pegasos and Genesi be a competitor? I think you really are unfortunately mixing two completely seperate things - hardware and software. Pegasos is OS agnostic. It has firmware specifically designed to enable this. It runs any OS you care to port. If it runs MorphOS from one store and OS4 from another, how is this different to buying $500 Teron/Linux boards from Mai, rather than AmigaOne/OS4 boards from Eyetech?

5) I don't need to answer because it doesn't apply to us.

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@A3000T

The parties involved not cooperating must, let me emphasis this - MUST - be recognised as Hyperion, Eyetech and the Amiga Inc. nameholders.

Genesi does not, in company policy or in action, block a port of AmigaOS 4 to the Pegasos hardware.

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Can I point out that Pegasos ports, whilst interesting, are not on topic for this discussion or particularly germane. The head of Genesi Developer PR has replied on the subject in a categorical fashion, any further questions either on another thread OR in private to him please.

@Matt, thanks for participating.

@Neko

Except that Hyperion say they'll happily port it if someone gets a license and pays them. That doesn't sound like "not cooperating" to me. I don't see what Eyetech have to do with it.

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@Wiffy

I hit reply before your post appeared.

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@xeron

No worries.

Its something that needs to be discussed again on this board anyhow, keep your eyes tuned for a poll and a debating thread on the issue soon.