I have changed my mind! It simply seems that CELL has to be the future direction for AmigaOne and AmigaOS! I like the thought, but i'm worried about it's performance at the moment, since it's quite new and still only available for the embedded/game console-market..

I'm sure that there are great, hot plans to let CELL revolutionize the desktop platform, whenever that will happen! I'm looking forward to that

I hope to see CELL growing up to become what we want it to be, for the Amiga!

Ok, Hyperion! Have a talk to Eyetech, Amiga Inc (for that matter), Sony, Toshiba and others involved in the future of the Amiga, that AmigaOne should start being based on CELL-architecture when the time is right, and start porting AmigaOS to the CELL-architecture, too

Now, THAT would make me very happy!

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@Helgis





Testify!

edit: above is now irrelevant due to relapse of Helgis's epiphany. He saw God decend from the heavens, he talked to the burning bush, then went back to worshipping the golden cow.

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@T_Bone

I don't think that would be bad, and it would be much easier to get x86 hardware AND software, only ported to AmigaOS 4/5 just because it also uses x86. Why not?

That really would save the Amiga from domination!

@Helgis

Not so fast... there is no need to panic and think that Amiga is in danger because Apple left PowerPC for Intel. You still have 2 PPC manufacturers IBM and Freescale that will produce PowerPC for the foreseeable future. And with Hyperion talking Cell, it can only be more exciting things to come.

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@AmigaMac

You know what? When that happens, i will be the happiest man in the Amiga-world! Please, i really want these things to happen.

I hope IBM and Eyetech can reason with each others easily, so that the next shipment can start...

@Helgis

I think Cell would be the natural way for Amiga.

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@Helgis

Cell is not good enough for desktop, because you can't get it yet!
Sony announced Linux for the PS3, so I would say, Cell will be good enough for desktop.

Just because Apple went x86, doesn't mean that it is a wise decision. Just wait and see what happens with Apple. They no longer can use the MHz Myth campaign and they will sell their hardware more expensive than Dell. Yeah, the future is looking really bright for Apple, NOT!

If OS4 would go x86, you still don't solve the driver issue. Your choice of GFX and Sound cards, etc. will be limited by the drivers written for these cards. Be couldn't manage it, do you really think we can manage it with OS4?

Even when you would have a dual booting x86, what do you think will be the most used OS in the end? You will get comments like: Yes, I would love to use OS4, but I can't use this or that with OS4, so I have to use Window$.

I do agree that we miss an entry level A1 at the moment. Sure we have the micro, but from a price point perspective you can't call it entry level. I think we would need something to "compete" with the Mac Mini. A "complete" machine for 500 euro.

@Helgis

You know what? When that happens, i will be the happiest man in the Amiga-world! Please, i really want these things to happen.

It's definitely going to take time (unfortunately). I can imagine that Hyperion and all those involved in OS4 development want to jump the first major hurdle; getting OS4 to stable/full release and then go from there. I think one of the stumbling blocks right now in successfully selling MicroA1s with OS4 is having a stable/full release of an Amiga operating system ready to tackle the wants and needs of the Amiga market with an approach to tackle the mass market down the road with successive versions of OS4 and newer hardware coming from Eyetech.

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Heh for a minute I thought the x86-64 thread had been moderated, you sure change your mind quick Helgis

@All

I know i changed my mind quickly, but it's a wise one

Yes, Cell is not available for the desktop yet, that's why we can't get it..

I'm very interested in it...

AmigaOne could be renamed then as AmigaCell

Yeah, i like that But AmigaOS should be named "AmigaOS". No change in name there

Well, then i'm convinced then!

Now that only Hyperion needs to bring out AmigaOS 4 as a finish product, then they may already start considering the move to CELL

@all...

Does anyone read Micro Mart? lol

http://www.micromart.co.uk/

;)

and dont forget:
http://www.micromart.co.uk/default.aspx?contentid=a43c7a42-e0d9-4351-a5cc-e6f5763ff53b&newsid=916

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@Helgis

In my opinion porting AmigaOS to the cell is a bad idea (for now).

I believe that the best way to tackle the situation is to continue with the PowerPC processor line as the main cpu for the OS, and leverage the power of the Cell by supporting it´s use on the side where appropriate, videocards etc.

If the time comes when the OS and the Cell is mature enough, a transition could be made, but not now, as it would only add to the work in progress, the processor itself will not magically make the OS ready for release, only time dedicated on the present project will.

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@Step

Couldn't say it better. It seems the most logical one You're right

@Helgis

What made you change your mind? Can you enlighten us too?

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@Dagon

Quote:

Dagon wrote: @Helgis What made you change your mind? Can you enlighten us too?

He's had an epiphany! Don't y'all go talking him out of it now!
(Anyway's he's already preordered the mA1c)

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@Dagon

Because it seems to be a future PPC chip with new technology, and also the name is pretty cool And it seems that it would be a much better choice than the x86 when CELL revolutonize the desktop market. It will start when Linux runs on PS3, as Sony seems to have announced

@Helgis

Quote:

Helgis wrote: @Dagon Because it seems to be a future PPC chip with new technology, and also the name is pretty cool And it seems that it would be a much better choice than the x86 when CELL revolutonize the desktop market. It will start when Linux runs on PS3, as Sony seems to have announced

(sigh)

We were so close. he's relapsed. (j/k)

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@All

I'm blessed Give us the CELL Let's DNA the future for the Amiga

AmigaCell - the future of DNA

@Helgis

Quote:

it would be much easier to get x86 hardware AND software, only ported to AmigaOS 4/5 just because it also uses x86. Why not?

Sigh...

Why do people always think that x86 means more software ? This notion is really absolutely beyond my comprehension.

FYI, just because something runs on Windows doesn't mean it will run on any x86 platform/OS. It doesn't.

And no, it's also not easier to port to x86. Sure, you don't have the typcial endian problematic, but that's only a fraction of the porting process...

Bottom line: Why not ? Now you know.

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@EntilZha

My dear friend. I was wrong. It seems that the CELL would be the ideal future, but i have mostly been worried about the delay of new MicroA1-C shipments because of the CPU-situation Eyetech is trying to get from IBM...I hope that will work out well..

But yes, CELL should be the future. I believe the choice will be ready when OS4 is finished and released