@samface
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Try it for change, it won't harm you.

I do not normally post on these relentless threads, so your statement does not really make sense

The complaints seem to be that they are having to say the same statement over and over again (which to an extent I can see is true), however each statement is brief, not alway to the point and difficult to understand.

Without being addressed the complete confusion (like in the osnews 'editorial') will continue.

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YAPPOTP (c) (Yet Another Please Port OS4 To Pegasos)

It's damn funny from a guy who states: Quote:

Before I continue, let me confess that I have little to no experience with the Amiga (other than this review).

Well, next time I'll write a nice article on osews about FreeBSD while I never touched any.

@Chip

it's still interesting to read a comment from an outside point of view. People gets too passionate here and most of the time they just go blind when it deals to their beloved OS or holy Amiga.

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@falemagn

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Alright... then tell me exactly what "not assuming" is supposed to mean.

As in not making a conclusion? Really, how hard can it be...

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You either wait for AmigaOS 4 and proper hardware, or you don't. There's no middle way, period. If you wait, then you're hardmed, if you don't wait, then you've made your decision already.

Don't wait, but don't make any conclusions and don't close any doors. I've since long decided to not wait for a new Amiga to come along, I've simply moved on with my life. However, I still have my eye on what's going on in the Amiga saga and if a new Amiga shows up, I'll definitly have a look and probably buy one if I can afford it. Now, where in all this would I have to *conclude* that Hyperion has given up on AmigaOS4 and whatever else that was suggested as "conclusions" that we should make? Again, it's really not a neccessity to jump to any conclusions what so ever. Just don't make future plans based on assumptions and don't refuse future possibilities just because they are not available today. Simple, isn't it?

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Ouch... touchy, aren't we, Sammy? Did I hit a aching nerve? As long as you'll answer on Hyperion's behalf to people questions, giving excuses and the like, you'll be their apologist.

As I made clear earlier, I don't have the intention of speaking on Hyperion's behalf nor is anything of what I've said in this thread any excuse for anything. A plea that people don't jump to conclusions is about as far from making up an excuse as it gets. But then, you never really grasped the concept of not jumping to conclusions, now did you? Ignorant people usually do have that kind of problem.

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@SoundSquare

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it's still interesting to read a comment from an outside point of view.

I fully agree on your point, irrespective of the question wether I like or dislike Thoms editorial.

Try to explain the Amiga history of the past 6 years to an outsider without trying to simplify things. They will just shake heads. I wonder where this ride will take us. It's a tough ride, some might just get sick from it, even more will want to quit before it's over.

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@SoundSquare

I rather see this as a Hyperion bashing article than an innocent comment.

@Chip

I agree to you!

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@Chip

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I rather see this as a Hyperion bashing article than an innocent comment.

As another poster already explained a few times, my article was directed at BOTH Hyperion and Amiga Inc.

It seems to me that people over here are just too intimate with their platform to be able to step aside and look at the scene and see how completely and utterly hopeless the situation is, at the moment.

Now, it is fine with me if you want to see this article as 'Hyperion bashing', in the end, your opinion means just as little as mine. Neither of us can change the situation the Amiga scene is currently in, and reading this thread, I'm slowly starting to see that NO ONE can change that situation, or is even willing to. It's one big blame-game, nobody is willing to take their responsibilities, nobody is willing to make concessions for the greater good of the platform. Nobody seems to be seeing the bigger picture-- aside from a few people (like myself) who are then considered flamers, trolls, and what not.

Now, does that mean I will stop writing about subjects like this? Hell no, of course not. I might be more lucky telling a floor tile to flip-- but an account of that won't fit on OSNews' frontpage.

@Chip

Exactly what are the points you think he is bashing? Quoting could also be of some help..

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@Thom_Holwerda

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It's one big blame-game, nobody is willing to take their responsibilities, nobody is willing to make concessions for the greater good of the platform.

Agreed on the blame-game. But in the end, we all have the common victim Amiga Inc.
An easy target since they don't shift the blame on others being already half-dead.

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@pixie

I think he's bashing everyone. (EDIT: ok, bashing is too strong a word, I was just following on from the language in Thom's post)

Us, because we don't realise what a bleak situation it is, even though we know full well.

Hyperion, for playing the blame game, instead of illegally giving out OS licenses and getting shut down.

It's not too much to ask that the editorial takes one almighty, well-directed swipe at the dormant Amiga Inc, instead of issuing a blanket wake up call to a community that hasn't slept for months.

Chris

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@pixie

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Only now I was able to read it and am yet to understand the reason behind such flammings...

Why? Because it touches a raw nerve.

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@Thom_Holwerda

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Nobody seems to be seeing the bigger picture-- aside from a few people (like myself) who are then considered flamers, trolls, and what not.

No. You're missing the point.

We see the bigger picture. There is a very real problem that hinders the OS4 adoption beyond the circle of those who already have hardware. Thinking people isn't getting this is rather condescending and plain wrong.

What you're repeating like a broken record in your writings is however something that has already been discussed to death and it will bear no fruit. Porting to x86 is unrealistic because of the work involved. Porting to Macs is unrealistic because a) that will cease to be an option and telling people to go buy used hardware is hardly a real option and b) you pretty much need to support each and every model, since they can change internally from one revision to the next. Porting to Pegasos/EFIKA is problematic too, but we've already been through that. There are both technicalities and politics in the way and I don't really see a reason to repeat the reasons, since you aren't really listening anyway. After all we're just blind little fools, who can't see the bigger picture, because we're actually, you know, IN the situation.

Fundamentally I'm sure we all agree with you. We need new hardware and preferably yesterday. Going on about potential solutions that aren't solutions at all under current conditions, however, is not fruitful.

There are two announced projects and perhaps some that we do not know about. Yes, they should already have been out, but various hints in this thread points towards some setbacks that aren't necessarily related to the hardware itself.

Please don't kid yourself that you're actually bringing anything new to the table. Contrary to what you seem to believe we (as a whole) are not blinded by agendas in this respect. We can see the problem just as well as you can. And the potential porting targets have been brought up time and time again and have been discussed over and over till they were dismissed.

Yes, getting an outside view can be helpful. Yes, you want things to improve. Yes, you're right that from the outside it looks decidedly weird (heck, it does from the inside too).

But as I'm sure you've noticed by now, this is a situation that will either solve itself soon or not at all. And it will involve other hardware solutions than the Pegasos, the Mac or x86 hardware. That's the one thing you continually ignore: Other solutions have been announced. And yeah, they could be vapour. Are they likely to be? Who knows. But time will tell.

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@Thom_Holwerda

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my article was directed at BOTH Hyperion and Amiga Inc.

I don't care Amiga Inc.

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your opinion means just as little as mine.

But I'm not putting my opinion to the frontpage of news sites...

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Nobody seems to be seeing the bigger picture-- aside from a few people (like myself) who are then considered flamers, trolls, and what not.

I don't think I have bigger picture about makeups than those ppl who is actually using/working with it. Kapiche?

@pixie

The whole article in one point.

@Chip

With that avatar of yours you must be a specialist on FreeBSD. I think you'd better write an editorial on how DragonFly needs to merge with the main branch of FreeBSD, because there's no future for either if they don't co-operate.

@All

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

These threads drive me nuts!!

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@Trezzer

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Trezzer wrote: What you're repeating like a broken record in your writings is however something that has already been discussed to death and it will bear no fruit.

Discussed to death in the Amiga community maybe. But osnews.com is not an Amiga site. It's a general OS news site whose readers mostly aren't aware of the issues.

@Trezzer
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Trezzer wrote: With that avatar of yours you must be a specialist on FreeBSD. I think you'd better write an editorial on how DragonFly needs to merge with the main branch of FreeBSD, because there's no future for either if they don't co-operate.

Exactly which parts of Thom's article are incorrect?

You have no basis complaining that he can't write an Amiga article because he's not an "expert" because he didn't get any facts wrong.

Well, the only mistake he made was that he assumed that the AmigaOne partners, Hyperion & Amiga Inc (as a unit), want the project to succeed, when in fact the partnership is "brickwalled".

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