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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:21:19
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| @Helgis
You come back from being banned and the first thing you do is bring up the done to death i386 question.
Why not do your own poll anyway? Why ask someone to do it for you?
Also, I think you're right about going to i386, but that's not really the point of this Whinge. _________________ Rage quited 29th May 2011 |
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:23:56
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| @Helgis
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but for the desktop market, the PPC has failed. Apple moving away from PPC as a desktop provd that, as they went for x86... |
Apple went for Intel because they get better prices for their iPod CPU's then. _________________ Seriously, if you want to contact me do not bother sending me a PM here. Write me a mail |
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:24:21
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Then explain to me how you as a company believe that PPC is the way forward |
As I said, we already did explain multiple times, and I'm not going to explain it to you _again_. Read the fora from a while back when I was still posting here to read up on what I had to say (if you don't want to read Rogue's posts again).
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for the desktop market, the PPC has failed |
Surprise: The desktop market is firmly in the hands of Windows. If Windows were to run on 68k suddenly, it would be firmly in the hands of 68k.
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Apple moving away from PPC as a desktop provd that, as they went for x86... |
Apple moving away from PPC was a political decision, and had nothing to do with the PPC. One company making a false move does not prove anything._________________ Thomas, the kernel guy
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:24:43
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Don't get me wrong when i say i really want PPC to be a popular desktop platform and not only for the embedded market. It's just that it has been hard to see a bright future for PPC even as a desktop. Will that change when P.A Semi and IBM actually have these new revolutionary PPC-hardwares released sometime in 2007? Would the new PPC Amiga-hardwares like PowerVixxen and Amy be the first to show a bright future for the Amiga as a PPC Amiga-desktop platform, as well as an embedded system? I really hope so...
Then the x86-topic really is over. I'm sorry i brought it online. I was simply very worried. That's the only reason why i mentioned it. I meant no harm at all... |
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:26:57
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So Apple going for Intel because of a better price rate influences that Apples' move was a stupid non-reasonable move, right? There is still plenty of hope for PPC? Last edited by Helgis on 08-Jun-2006 at 10:27 AM.
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:27:40
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I'm trying to convince people that supporting 2 most important and most used CPU-platforms like x86 and PPC are very, very important, even for the Amiga... |
No, you aren't.
You have blown your machine, and are p/o'ed about that, and now you are ranting. Nothing else. You know exactly that it isn't going to happen, you are just another one of the know-it-all type that thinks he knows better.
I propose that next time you get a machine you indeed take superglue and fix the jumpers into place, because otherwise you are going to blow that as well._________________ Seriously, if you want to contact me do not bother sending me a PM here. Write me a mail |
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:31:02
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:32:02
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I understand. I do appreciate your explanation. I now know PPC really has a bright future at all. It might come sometimes that i try not to fail sometimes. I don't really look at myself as being "I-know-better-than-you" type. That was never the intention, but i'm sorry if i have given an impression of that...
My A1G4XE really seems to work. I was very lucky, miraculous speaking, but the black screen is still present, but this will be solved very soon...
And yes, i'm going for the PowerVixxen TL next year, mentioned in another topic.. |
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:32:08
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The PPC is the only hardware that can make the Amiga different from the others "PC". There are several OS's that has failed in the X86 market: Be os for example. Zeta, Haiku: it hard to take off for these. OS/2 it's powerfull and strong but never had the mass flavor. And what about Linux? It's a mess, boy. How many distribution you can count? Starting a new Amiga on X86 project, mean delay again the final realease of OS4. We are waiting OS4 for years, now. Should we restart from scratch? And who provide the money for the port? _________________ retired |
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:32:21
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| @Helgis
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So Apple going for Intel because of a better price rate influences that Apples' move was a stupid non-reasonable move, right? |
If Apple just wanted to go x86, why wouldn't they have gone AMD64? After all, they advertised Mac OS X with 64 bit support, and the G5 is a 64 Bit CPU and the Pentium isn't.
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FYI, all next-gen consoles use PowerPC CPUs. The PowerPC's market share on Apple computers was a single-digit percentage only, IBM will hardly notice that Apple's gone._________________ Seriously, if you want to contact me do not bother sending me a PM here. Write me a mail |
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:33:24
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Love you guys !!! Kick Butt :^)
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:36:12
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:38:09
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I have grownt tired of the unrealistical dreams some of the big players in the Amiga markets have, like believing that PPC is the only way forward for the Amiga, when it seems more or less that PPC has failed the desktop market where x86 hasn't... |
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It's just that it has been hard to see a bright future for PPC even as a desktop. |
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I now know PPC really has a bright future at all. |
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going for PPC can only be considered as the most correct choice that the Amiga has ever made |
Last edited by polka. on 08-Jun-2006 at 10:39 AM.
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:43:46
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| Once again Helgis changed his mind. Little windy here arent it. a1/Troika/ACK/X86->PPC, whats next ? Helgis, os4 isnt based on what you want, like or think. If you dont like what Hyperion does just buy a x86 machine and run whatever you like on it, except os4. Amiga upto os3.9,linux etc.
and stop dreaming about 16cores PPC's etc. Live today.
Ill soon go mad. mom where are my dipers. (spell ok ?) Last edited by Kicko on 08-Jun-2006 at 10:45 AM. Last edited by Kicko on 08-Jun-2006 at 10:44 AM.
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:44:28
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:47:45
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:48:35
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Jeez, its stupid isn't it.. the constant flip flopping of opinion. I think he just changes his mind to suit whoever hes talking to.
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:49:57
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Whilst I am for AOS on x86
Why bother with the same, repetetive thread? There WAS a poll, about 2 weeks ago. Use the SEARCH facility. Or organise direct mailing of Amiga.Inc, because they are the only ones who have the power to choose.
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A.inc Management sat around a table in a dimly lit room, smoking cigars & playing cards.
Suddenly, Fleecy, the office junior bursts in, and in his boyish voice shouts "Hey fellas, I've got a scoop; Had an email from a guy named Helgis suggesting we put AmigaOS onto x86!"
The men around the table spit out their cigars in surprise, throw their cards on the table and look at each other. "AmigaOS on x86 - why didn't we think of that? That Helgis is one smart cookie. Boys, let's get to work"
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Whilst I am personally for AmigaOS on x86 (for the ongoing survival of the OS and the Amiga community, as well as not wanting to have 3 computers to have to maintain, upgrade, etc) I am personally not naive enough to think that posting in the forums is going to change that.
If you're serious, and committed to starting a campaign - open your own website, gain members to support the campaign. Starting YET ANOTHER thread in the same vein is not going to do anything, except bore people, disillusion potential supporters and discredit the AOS on x86 cause as just being a bunch of whining obstructionist crapflooders.
IMHO.._________________ Troll - n., A disenfranchised former potential customer who remains interested enough to stay informed and express critical opinions. opp., the vast majority who voted silently with their feet. |
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:51:38
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Re: Why AmigaOS Should Be Ported To x86... Posted on 8-Jun-2006 10:54:33
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Now that Helgis says PPC is the good choice, I hope there's nobody left that will talk about x86 Last edited by elwood on 08-Jun-2006 at 10:55 AM.
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