@Carl-S

I didn't try to list all the previous threads but this Link should give you some indication of the official Hyperion stance on porting OS4.0 to X86.

However if you do a search for" Entilzha and X86" you will find a number of threads dealing with the subject.

TrevorDick

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@Bobsonsirjonny

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Exploit the other markets. The GP2X alone has shifted 3000 units in the UK this year.. and its not even Christmas yet...

Must admit I'm considering buying one if only to have a highly portable classic amiga running under emulation. Am I sad or what!

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@TrevorDick

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I didn't try tolist all the previous threads but this Link should give you some indication of the official Hyperion stance on porting OS4.0 to X86.

This link is IMHO better.

@hatschi

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This link is IMHO is better

Agreed!

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@Carl-S

> What if:
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> 1. Amiga OS 4 ran on a modern PC box/laptop, and
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> 2. Classic Amiga apps and games emulated "perfectly" on that same box.
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> How would you feel about that?

I'd feel cold, because this can only happen when hell has frozen over :)

> How many people here would use it immediately?

I wouldn't get it immediately, because I don't need to. My AmigaOne is acceptable for now. But the A1 won't last forever, so I would get it eventually.

> How many would still wait for PPC hardware?

PPC hardware is already here. There is no need to wait for it. What we are waiting for is a licence, so OS4 can be ported to this hardware.

But if an x86 version of OS4 would be available before it is ported to acceptable PPC hardware, I would use the x86 version until something better shows up.

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@TheDaddy

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TheDaddy wrote: Have you still got Amigas kicking around and if so which models?

I still own about 30 Amigas, pretty much all models, and a few prototypes on plywood. My favorite Amiga is still A3000.

But, here's what's on my desk, in order of usage:

• OS X Core Duo Macbook laptop - so handy, fast restart, nice GUI, great utils, smart design - I originally got it to have something light to carry around France last summer, and it is my main personal "carry it around the house" system.
  
  
• 3 GHz 800M FTP XP box - burns rubber on the compiler - this is a code development machine - I no longer use it for much else, because if I do, I end up with about 100 processes running in background, and I am constantly worried about how they are slowing me down or compromising my security. (XP is such a joke to me.)
  
  
• 3 GHz Toshiba 17" laptop XP, dual screens - what I'm typing on right now - my communcation box for AltME worlds, REBOL IOS clients, email, web browser sessions, processing feedback, etc. Of course, ironically enough, I don't run a single app on this box that requires XP! About half the apps are REBOL. The rest are things like Firefox, Thunderbird, etc.
  
  
• OS X Mac Mini - very cheap, low power, nice GUI - I just like the way it looks sitting there - lol
  
  
• CDTV - because it is still cool looking, and when people ask what it is, I tell them it was what DVD should have been. They kind of understand that.
  

• A couple OpenBSD on old PCs - main servers - work great, very secure
  
  
• Several Linux on old PCs - runs CVS system, firewalls, etc. - work well
  
  
• Amiga 3000 tower - mainly for patent work - I no longer build on it.
  
  
• Genesi PPC - they were very kind to send me one, so we build on it (Linux, no Amiga).
  
  
• SunSolaris, NetBSD, FreeBSD, HPUX, AIX, W2K, W98, etc - all for REBOL builds
  

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@Carl-S

Impressive collection!

About the question: I'm signing in with all my hands and legs :D. I would start developing right away (in my free time).

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@Carl-S

I don't think we could wait another 3 years for an X86 OS to be written. There would be no one left.

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@TrevorDick

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TrevorDick wrote: @Bobsonsirjonny Quote: Exploit the other markets. The GP2X alone has shifted 3000 units in the UK this year.. and its not even Christmas yet... Must admit I'm considering buying one if only to have a highly portable classic amiga running under emulation. Am I sad or what! TrevorDick

Not at all A new Emulator is being developed that is much faster - so that dream is nearer

However, its more suited to games.. I wouldnt try to run lightwave on it.. the GP2X has two 300mhz strongarms.

@DoodooHead

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DoodooHead wrote: @Carl-S I don't think we could wait another 3 years for an X86 OS to be written. There would be no one left.

It wouldnt take that long. OS4 sits on a HAL. Uboot is a bootloader like a PC's CMOS ..

IIRC port the HAL to the target platform. Port any hardware specific stuff.. OS4 should sit on top.. everything should be ok.

Didnt the Friedens say a while ago that porting OS4 to other processor familes would only take a couple of months, while porting to other PPC variants would only take about a month?

@Carl-S

Voted Yes. Especially if the CPU is an AMD64/Core2.

@Carl-S

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I still own about 30 Amigas, pretty much all models, and a few prototypes on plywood. My favorite Amiga is still A3000

Ah man, you've got me beat by 2 or 3 there....... Just kidding, I only have about 11 now.

I'd like to see x86 options as well as PPC. Who's deciding in the end though?

Here's another little thought I had this afternoon.....

I've given the OS issue some thought and can't put it in to terms as well others here. I'm a mechanic at heart and a very visual person. Reaching to my "roots", this is how I see things...

Windows

Every thing you could or would ever need. It's got it all. If it doesn't have it we'll find it and add it if necessary. Most of this stuff... you have now idea about. Do I need it, how or why does it work, Can I remove it, upgrage it with out messing some thing up? You're looking at a mobile van in this picture. It's takes a diesel vehicle to drive all this inventory around and gets bad gas milage because of the weight. If you hit a bump in the road or crash, all of your stuff goes flying every where. Who knows how long or how hard it will be to get things back to normal. (If it's even possible) And every one is always trying to break in to your van and steal your stuff. Mostly you just sleep ....In a van down by the river!!

Linux

A more compact took kit, but still a bit over whelming for the average joe. I'll never talk my wife, kids or non-mechanicy friends into buying or using it. Still don't know what some of this does, but It looks like with enough experience I can do just able any thing. But do I want to spend my time learning the tools or getting my work done and maybe being a bit creative?

Amiga

Now this looks like the ticket. Organized, pretty portable. Not as accesorised as the other kits, but it's hard to imagine a job I couldn't get done with this kit. I can tell you what all this is and how to use it. I dont' have to spend much time finding what I need or reading how to use the kit. If I need some thing more, or out of the ordinary, I can always add it to the kit. Friends and family won't be scared at the sight of it. They'll more likely be impressed with such a nice set and want one for themselfs.

Well, thanks for visiting Plaz the toolman. You decide if you want to study tools the rest of your life or actually put them to use.

Plaz

@Fransexy

As inflammatory as that statement is... I agree. Commodity PC hardware isn't going to hurt the Amiga. But BRANDING the machine will help it. A common face builds community among buyers and recognition in the marketplace.

It requires smart, consistent design work. It doesn't matter what's under the hood. Witness the MacIntels. I believe Apple's smartest move in their transition was to ship all of their Intel systems in forms that are nearly identical to the previous PPC models. Consistency, branding.

@Bobsonsirjonny

What emulator are you referring to? pearpc?

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@Carl-S

I voted maybe. Generally I do not bother too much about the cpu architecture, but due to some things I wouldn't buy it as soon as it was available:

1st: I have a wonderful ppc maschine with the (IMO) best amigaish OS (Pegasos with MorphOS) already.
2nd: I like low footprint systems and do not need all that raw processing power. A 1 Watt 5200B can make more sense than a xGHZ Core2Duo or Xeon.
3rd: I do not like the fact that you have to either lose compatibilty or have to flip the endianess on the fly (it's just a waste of cpu cycles).

On the pro side there would be that there are many, many boxes & laptops (but those do not suit my need too well) avaiable.
But I wouldn't just delete my win installation on my current laptop for OS4/x86. I need win and the laptop is the dedicated maschine for it (I have UAE for being mobile).
My Pegasos is the dedicated maschine for MorphOS.

But if the product would be good (fast, compatible and broad driver support) I'd give it a go. If not I would just stay with MorphOS (which I wouldn't drop anyway).

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@MikeB

I believe basicly Hyperion lacks or lacked the funding and resources to support too much different hardware simultaneouly. That's why they initially focussed on supporting the classic PPC expansions and A1 computers.


But that's not really true. Hyperion went the PPC rought correct? Did they have to support every PPC motherboard out there or every PPC chipset out there? No, they choose one specific motherboard.

They same thing would be/would have been true of x86. Pick just 1 motherboad to support.

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_ThEcRoW wrote: @Bobsonsirjonny What emulator are you referring to? pearpc?

No - I was reffering to the GP2X, and its classic Amiga Emulators - a new one is being developed, based on uae sources, and the Alpha is very very fast! This would make a killer Amiga portable because the GP2X allows you to plug in any usb device and has built in tv out. If OS4 was ported to other processors - the GP2X could be an interesting target platform because its truely plug and play, it was funded on pre-orders alone, and 3000 of the things have already been sold in the UK with little to no advertising. 3000 mostly word of mouth sales. Plus the developer community is prolific and rabid.. a bit like the Amiga community once was. If you could tap that, you'd be on to something.

@TrevorDick

We have had this discussion several times over the past couples of years at least! We know clearly where Hyperion stand on this issue form their repeated statements.


Well, as much as I respect what Hyperion and Co. have done, if we want Amiga (and I don't mean the company) to exist in future then we may need a revolution.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to figure out that $800+ cpu/mb combos that have 1/4 the processing power ( and I think that is generous) have ZERO future. These $800 combos are basically like a life support system, they've been keeping Amiga alive barely, but some day it needs to get off life support.

I also personally think it not fair that so many hardcore Amiga enthusiasts that have been waiting for so so many years to buy a new Amiga are forced to go without because there are either no motherboards or they are so absurdly overpriced. Whomever’s fault it may be. i.e. Amiga Inc.

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@Carl-S

I would feel better.

I really don't want to use older apps. Games however might be a diff situation.

I am a dev but I never programmed an Amiga in my life. I can't be sure. I'd need a project to get motivated.

I don't want PPC. In fact, I don't want another PC period. I already gave out my other PCs and peripherals.

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I'd use AmigaOS4 on any platform, but if we could get it on something cheap (i.e. x86) it would be better.