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adiaux 
Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 17:04:32
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@pavlor

Quote:

pavlor wrote:
@hatschi

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Pipe-dream (sorry).


No need to be sorry
Are here some technical problems?


The technical problems are only *the beginning*!

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 17:17:50
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@takemehomegrandma

These kinds of sacrastic comments like #60 (apart from being off-topic) will only generate flamewars and you know it... Everyone has their own opinion about certain companies and their actions, why not just accept that people are different with differing opinions and move on, back to the topic of discussion.

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Re: Sam440EP team news
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@COBRA

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@takemehomegrandma

These kinds of sacrastic comments like #60 (apart from being off-topic) will only generate flamewars and you know it... Everyone has their own opinion about certain companies and their actions, why not just accept that people are different with differing opinions and move on, back to the topic of discussion.

Well said, same old people with their own agenda in these threads!

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 17:32:02
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@COBRA

Same things happening always on Amiga forums..
Little positive news on the end is negative... "Amiga paradox"

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 17:40:53
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@takemehomegrandma

I don't think that A.Inc/Hyperion/Eyetech agreement brougt us less than Genesi.
AmigaOS = no hardware, last release December 2006 (OS4 final)
MorphOS = no hardware, last release May 2005 (MorphOS 1.4.5)

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Everyone is "professional" except Genesi


That is a very good title for a poll!

I wish Genesi, A.Inc, Hyperion, ACube etc the best. Let the better wins!

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Hans 
Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 18:07:57
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@Comi

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Comi wrote:
@COBRA

Same things happening always on Amiga forums..
Little positive news on the end is negative... "Amiga paradox"



It's due to an illness I discovered, as discussed here.

Hans

Last edited by Hans on 15-Feb-2007 at 06:08 PM.

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Hans 
Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 18:11:45
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Now back on topic...
Are we likely to see an announcement over the next few days, or just the creation of a mailing list through which the announcements wil be made in future?

Hans

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 19:01:07
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@takemehomegrandma

Totally off topic, please make another thread to continue this discussion, preferably reposting your message.

@all

Please keep this thread on topic, any posts not related to the Sam440 *will* be moderated.

Thanks.

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 19:05:42
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@sicky

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ACube Systems have by far been the most professional "new hardware solution" potential suppliers to date, only announcing something when something to show or give information..... keep it up and let's hope that 1st quarter 2007 produces the results they have worked hard for.


Well I'm sure rooting for them! :)

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Re: Sam440EP team news
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Self edited out after moderator comment on wanting new thread.

Last edited by fairlanefastback on 15-Feb-2007 at 07:30 PM.

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 19:46:50
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@elatour

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So they no longer wanted to post and wanted to ensure that the account name would not be recreated by someone else upon it's deletion and then used to misrepresent their views on things?


I seem to have missed out on the excitement of whatever happened her and am trying to figure out what's up. But I do think it makes sense to not delete an account, because if you do then all past posts made turn into "anonymous" posts. Look up some of Helgis's old posts from his old account that he wanted deleted. They don't have his name on them, so you don't know who they came from unless you already know that. If bbrv's account is deleted, then all their past comments become anonymous as well. Even if someone is no longer "here", I'd rather see accounts still exist for no other reason than to keep their names on their past posts so we know who said them if we look through old stuff or search for discussions.

I disagree with some things bbrv say or do, or at least the manner is which they say some things, but they do still have said a lot of interesting things here and there in between the blatant blog promotions and vague meaningless John Kerry speak, there have been some good posts from them as well.

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 20:05:44
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@Rob


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Okay he spoke about Sam in the MP3 that was released


Sorry, I guess my memory has blurred a couple of those things together.

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 20:56:40
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@hatschi

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Not only technical ones, developing a PPC-based laptop for OS4 just isn't viable at the current point:
- development costs are likely to be much higher than for a desktop board
- ROI questionable for such an effort given the small potential market (a few Amigans and some Linux PPC geeks), at least not enough to make a sustainable business from it and sell the product at a reasonable price
- it doesn't make sense to have even more "obscure" hw-products given the size and uncertain future of the OS4/PPC desktop market
- a change in licensing scheme to a more open policy (used Powerbooks?) would make the whole effort pointless/a financial desaster, since nobody would anymore want to buy the expensive custom hardware
- PPC is dead on the desktop


All very good points. Which means that in order to make an Amiga desktop board, you need to not make a desktop board, but something that has the capability to be a desktop board. Same for laptop, the only sensible way to make an Amiga laptop is to make something that is not a laptop, but has the capability to be a laptop. I think Mini-ITX is a good choice for form-factor, as it conveniently fits into a lot of casework, and is a popular form-factor for embedded systems things, even though that does tend to limit what I could plug into the thing. I know there's people out there that would argue against any possible opportunity SAM440 might have in Linux/embedded markets, but I do think it's smart to go with a popular form-factor, as an oddball form-factor could be yet another hurdle (and thus yet another point for these anti-PPC-Embedded people) toward those goals.

I'm not keen on Mini-ITX as a laptop solution. Imagining any Mini-ITX board I've seen wedged into a laptop presentation gives me images of thick, klunky things. Nothing as big as an SX-64 mind you, but certainly something far less trendy looking than a Dell/HP/Apple laptop, I see something like standard laptops in the early 1990s. Even with passive cooling on the SAM440 itself, a laptop needs to provide both room for those heatsinks as well as airflow across them, and also needs to provide connections to the mouse/trackpad and keyboard. Do you work out something for the "tall" rear-panel connectors intended for standard Mini-ITX case (stacked PS2, etc), or do you make a "laptop-edition" build of the thing without those tall rear-panel connectors and do something better for confined spaces of a laptop shell?

I wish dearly for the OS4 licensing situation to clear up. A Mac iBook port would save us from feeling the need to come up with obscure and unsustainable alternative solutions. Same for Mac/Peg desktops. I'd like to see the crazy people who are willing and capable of creating obscure new solutions to be allowed the opportunity as well, but it'd be very nice if that wasn't the only way to get anywhere at all.

I don't quite understand the Micro-ATX style for Pegasos-8641 today, as that seems to limit the market to MorphOS fans, PowerPC evaluation/development engineers, and perhaps some remote possibility of OS4 users. Maybe Micro-ATX is more popular in other industries today than I think it is. I do wish them success with it, but I don't understand the decision making behind the form-factor. But maybe they know stuff I don't about this hardware business.

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 21:16:00
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@billt
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They don't have his name on them, so you don't know who they came from unless you already know that.


Now Bill, if there are two (3?) people's posts we can all recognise without a name, it is those of Helgis and BBRV.

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Lecta 
Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 22:26:51
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@Hans

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Are we likely to see an announcement over the next few days, or just the creation of a mailing list through which the announcements wil be made in future?


Maybe both.... and a few more things...

Regards

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Hans 
Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 23:08:18
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@Lecta

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Lecta wrote:
@Hans

Quote:
Are we likely to see an announcement over the next few days, or just the creation of a mailing list through which the announcements wil be made in future?


Maybe both.... and a few more things...

Regards


In that case, I shall wait impatiently, as usual.

Hans

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 15-Feb-2007 23:30:19
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@Comi

I would rather hear that the Sam or perferably Mona is booting OS4. That would mean they have reached a license agreement with AInc and would be ready for retail shipment in a short time. Any announcement without a license is about as useful as PS3 or Efika running OS4 announcement.

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 16-Feb-2007 0:50:23
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@Hans

That disease is spreading into epidemic proportions

Samantha would make a nice board to MOD into a laptop . . . .

@all

My 2 cents on Genesi: They make good hardware . . .

Bring on Samantha -

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 16-Feb-2007 5:35:26
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If IBM created 440 SOC with embedded DRAM inside the 440 SOC/CPU:
Is it possible to use Samantha board in the future without any external DRAM chips?
Can the AmigaOS kernel or Linux kernel fit inside the embedded DRAM?

From IT Jungle:
"IBM has been testing the embedded DRAM concept for microprocessors for a while, and in fact used embedded DRAM in the variants of the stripped-down PowerPC 440 cores that are the heart of the processors used in its Blue Gene line of massively parallel supercomputers."

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Re: Sam440EP team news
Posted on 16-Feb-2007 6:47:01
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@takemehomegrandma
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Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion - Well, their joint project was presented in 2001. They scheduled the OS4 release to 1 Mars 2002. The über-hardware "AmigaOne" was released in 2002. In early 2003 Amiga Inc wanted to bring OS4 back in-house. Blam! And boy - *just look at* all their joint achievements since then, how well things have been handled, just look at all the hardware OS4 runs on, look at how OS4 is spread all over the world and the Amiga has been rising again since then! Look at the momentum, look at the industry recognition it has! Ah, THANK GOD for professional companies like these (and AW.net users like pavlor and many others), who *really can show* Genesi and other amateurs how "teh reeel!!11" business should be done, in the *professional* way! And ACK, and Troika! Panda! Oh, how bright the future is for OS4, what good hands our beloved platform is in. It feels so good and secure, thank god for *real* professionalism! It's such a good thing that Genesi goes away (BEGONE! BEGONE!), so that the real professional companies can go on with their professionalism forever, and ever, and EVER!


That's what you get when you stay on a PPC starwed market.
Amiga OS should have been x86 loooooooooong ago.

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