I read the suit filled by AInc against Hyperion but didn't see the "November 2001 agreement" in the included exhibits. The "Arctic agreement" which allowed Hyperion and the Friedens to port OS4.0 to the IBM device for a demo is, as I understand it, ANOTHER, later agreement. AInc seems to use the terms from that "Arctic agreement" to invoke the termination of ALL agreement with Hyperion ... (?)

I'm waiting to read the response from Hyperion in hope to be able to build a better enlighted opinion over the situation.

@ackcontrls

I agree with all of it. Let's have clear definition of OS4 ownership, one hardware or two companies (two to keep things competitive and prevent possible monopoly, and also from people whining that they are being ripped off by one company - which they are not.)
thank you ACK.

@Manu

"But at the end of the day, Amiga Inc will end up with "work" that other people
has put alot of their personal free time on. "

With all due respect, no one was pointing a gun to their head to develop for free.

So AInc reckon they paid $25,000 for OS4. How much did they make from the $50 'Club Amiga' coupon scam? I reckon that the 'Club Amiga' members paid AInc's payment for OS4 at least twice over, so OS4 belongs to the 'Club Amiga' members.

If Amiga Inc thinks they can behave like Microsoft and get away with it in the remnant Amiga community theyve got to be wrong ? We really dont need another Microsoft - After all many Amigans are AMIGANS to get the HELL away from people like that .. unWelcome to Ami-crosoft ..

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@takemehomegrandma

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The leaked contract can now be considered officially confirmed as the real one.

How so? I have not seen a copy of the original contract in this court paper, which is very strange as it's the most important aspect of the whole issue. There is only the "arctic" contract enclosed unsigned. An unsigned paper as evidence to a court?

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After some time with no OS4 release, Amiga Inc decides to execute the buy-back clause. This is agreed upon by Ben Hermans, and money is transfered.

In the court papers there is only receipt of a total sum of $22500 transferred, yet in the buyback contract also enclosed it states that $25000 is required, so it seems that $2500 is missing. Or have I missed something?

@DualCrew

"Just one thing i would like to know .. is Hyperion located in the USA ?"

- maybe depends where contract / agreement was signed ?
they didn't have to be physically there.

@ALL

This is just plain disgusting!


I can't be ####d with Amiga anymore, we have been waiting for YEARS and all we get is more lawsuits!

What a waste of time and energy!

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Hi Everyone!

See, what I have been saying about Amiga Inc all along is true. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, but they are good at that.

I read the documents, but we need to see Hyperion's side of this story. I have a feeling A Inc didn't disclose everything. There are always two sides to the story. (wink, wink).

I still think we should abandon Amiga Inc. It's time to choose another OS to follow, and hopefully, it will be something as nice as OS 4.

Well, we'll know more in 10 days I guess.

Yogi

@Jacken

Please be a bit more specific. I have only found in there a bank transaction receipt of a $20000 sum and a $2500 sum, "read it again" isn't very helpful.

@ikir

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ikir wrote: @stew Quote: Hey didn't you always say the division between them was overblown? Looks like you were wrong. Maybe wrong again? Ehm no. Where? I really don't know anything about Amiga Inc so if i write something about that it was my opinion. If you count the times i were right... OT anyway. We should relax, Amiga.org Q&A with Bill McEwen will enlight us (?). A Q&A with ACube is on the way too.

Sorry then must have gotten you mixed up with someone else. It looks like thaose who thought the ownership question was a major problem were right. It looks like until it is settled things will not progress.

You did say:
LOL the whole situation is pathetic.... anyone want to bomb new Amiga offices?

I was just asking why bomb AInc instead of Hyperion as they seem to be the one that did not fulfil the contract (however bad the contract may be)

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@takemehomegrandma

Spot on. I can't believe people that don't realize this.

@yoodoo2

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yoodoo2 wrote: @Amiga4000 But let's not equate Hyperion with either the Friedens or the other OS4 developers. They are ultimately the real losers in all of this. Imagine spending 6 years on a product that has been so spoilt by idiotic, greedy, selfish and out of touch companies.

The Friedens and others knew the contract going in or should have. It might stink to be screwed like that but IMHO AInc looks to be the rightful owner of OS4 for better or worse. Maybe the responce of Hyperion will be a suprise but I am not hopeful.

@Hans

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December 2006, three years later, the license agreement with Hyperion & Eyetech is terminated.

At least we now know why everyone from Hyperion and AInc. were so quiet for the past few months, specially right after AOS4 Final was released. To me, this confirms many of the suspicions that many here had about the subsequent events or lack thereof that followed. This also explains the rash of recent trademark registrations around the globe of the trademark names and logos.

Sounds to me like both AInc. and Hyperion have used their press announcements regarding partnerships in order to flex their muscles on ownership. It would appear that like Hyperion, AInc. wants to strengthen their case by tying their possible ownership buyback of AOS4 to being able to sell it through hardware available from a partner. The timing of the partnership announcment followed by the lawsuit was no coincidence. It would not exactly look good if Hyperion had a hardware target, but AInc. did not.

Forget any ACube OR ACK Controls this years, this will be in the courts for another year at least.

This is pathetic!

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@Seer

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here's some nice PR for all

Oh my! This confirms so much of what people thought might be going on for close to a year, but reveals that it was actually far worse and had been going for much longer than anyone had suspected.

This explains the AInc. and ACube no-show at a show in the fall of last year.

Also, like many of us suspected, althogh AInc. has not exactly been been a model citizen here, Hyperion's not exactly been an angel either - no surprise there, IMHO. It was also not surprising that AInc. was ####ed about ExecSG being owned solely by the Friedens.

I'd be quaking in my boots at this point if I were the Friedens, because they'll most likely get sued for the work they based on the AOS3.1 sources and then claimed ownership on, that is unless of course they play ball with AInc. and negotiate something that ends up with AInc. obtaining complete and total ownership of ExecSG for a fair price.

IMHO, Hyperion did not act in good faith according to the original contract and did and end run around many of their contractual obligations.

What a soap opera!

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@Plaz
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Where oh where is the Bandito

Didn't the owner of DiscreetFX (Bill Panagouleas) reveal in a Total Amiga article of a year or so ago that he had been the infamous Bandito?

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@elatour

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Oh my! This confirms so much of what people thought might be going on for close to a year, but reveals that it was actually far worse and had been going for much longer than anyone had suspected. e original contract and did and end run around many of their contractual obligations.

And where are the people I will not name, who was yelling FUD as recent as a week or so ago? There is either some serious mental illness by a few individuals in these parts, or they were fed some obvious bogus info by some pf the players involved and ran with because of some bizare cult mentality.

None of this was a suprise, only the fact it took until April 30, 2007.

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@redfox

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PS post made on a machine that never existed using an illegal OS

Sad aint it?

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