@Darth_X, darth_x, zerohero


Well...

1 - FryingPan was registerd and reported the device as registered.

2 - The DVDs I tryed was all Verbatim(in theory rather good), and the burner I tryed was all the two I've in home...the philips(my burner) and an HP(from my girlfriend pc) and in all the two cases when I burn on AmigaOS4.1 they was SLOW(philips about 1,5x, HP about 3x), and on windows they orks normally.
And every DVD burned in all the two burner(on AmigaOS, AmiDVD or FrayingPan), was readable only by the two recordres...

3 - I tryed 4 DVDs and get same problems

Unfortunately today I cant get the time to buy a 80 wires cable maybe tomorrow I can...and try that thing to...

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@Tuxedo

Unfortunately, in Amiga still we can't enjoy the Windos or Linux programs for decrypt the DVDs to make our own legal security copy, in Windos there are several but will to do theirs port, uff, I think that it will be impossible.

@Tuxedo

What type of data are you copying on to the discs? Are you just making a data disc with backups of files, music, pictures, programs etc?

Also, about how much data are you writing to the DVD?

So, I think you are saying after the discs are burned you can read them in a Windows machine with no problems is that correct? But not in AOS4.x?

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@AmigaHeretic

All DVDs was BackUp with movies data images mp3 etc...
Wrote about 4GB, depends on DVD...
After disc was burned(and closed), I can read tehy only on burners(not DVD readers) and additionally on Amiga=S4.x I got also some weird things like erros or system locks if I try to read more than one file at once(have to reset to solve that)...

EDIT:

When I've a DVD reader I've neither got any problem...only from when I got the burner...and also tryed the my girl.firend's burner...

Last edited by Tuxedo on 05-Dec-2008 at 08:30 PM.

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@Tuxedo

80wire is only requiered for UDMA-4 and above.. Thus not for DVD-players or burners.

Is your burner connected to the internal VIA IDE or to an external card?

SE is known to have seious PCI bus, IDE, USB and LAN problems.. So I guess there's
no real solution for this I think.
Maybe burning at slowest possible speed, 1x, could help?

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Isnt there a tool called DeCSS ?

@Kicko

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Kicko wrote: Isnt there a tool called DeCSS ?

Yeah, but all the encryption stuff and DeCSS only has to do with trying to copy a "Store Bought" DVD or trying to copy the actual .vob files off an 'Orignal' store bought DVD. No OS in the world can do this with out special decryption tools.

I don't think that is what he is doing. He is just burning his own data to his own blank DVD (ie some MP3 files) and then is having trouble reading them back.

@Tuxedo
Have you tried burning data with the drives in question in Windows, then try reading the disc on Amiga to see if you get errors? Do you have this issue if you write some files to CD instead of DVD?

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@Samwel

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Samwel wrote: @Tuxedo 80wire is only requiered for UDMA-4 and above.. Thus not for DVD-players or burners. Is your burner connected to the internal VIA IDE or to an external card? SE is known to have seious PCI bus, IDE, USB and LAN problems.. So I guess there's no real solution for this I think. Maybe burning at slowest possible speed, 1x, could help?

Yeah, I think Samwel may be on to something there. That might help, burning at 1x. Also, are there tools to slow the read spead of the drive down for AOS4.x?

I know I've had that issue on Windows ALONG time ago, and there was some tools that forced the drive to read at 1x or 2x or whatever, which worked really good for slightly damaged disc.

Drive might be reading TOO fast for the SE to handle or something. The drive for sure has commands to slow the read speed, but don't know how you'd do it.

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@Samwel

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80wire is only requiered for UDMA-4 and above.. Thus not for DVD-players or burners.

My burner and my girlfirend's burner was reported as UDMA4 from idetool...



Quote:

Is your burner connected to the internal VIA IDE or to an external card?

All attached on Sil680 and on board VIA was deactivated.


NEWS:

Have just burned at 6x (4,3 GB in 9 about minutes)...and all seems to works correctly...
Seems that setting up the burner at UDMA 3 all problems was gone...
Unfortunately now I cant try on my girlfriend's PC if the DVD works as the others because the power supply of that PC was just broken(the cooling fan have stoped to work and a bad burned plastic smell was around, so I shutdown the Pc and tomorrow I'll go to buyt a new power supply...)

And an 80 pin cable for my dvd so mybe I can burn much easly in UDMA4...

Last edited by Tuxedo on 06-Dec-2008 at 12:19 AM.

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@Samwel

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Maybe burning at slowest possible speed, 1x, could help?

I have never been succesful burning at full (media) speed, I always select a lower speed in AmiDVD if available.

I have just copied (on th fly) a 1.5GB DVD with AmiDVD, with 8x media copied at 6x speed, and it was copied OK. But for it to be recognised in my DVD-Rom, I had to reboot.

I don't know exactly where the problem lies, but I have had this before where a disc I have just burned is not recognised in my other drive until I reboot.
After that it is recognised all the time, just not in the same session.

Last edited by Swoop on 06-Dec-2008 at 02:20 AM.

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@Tuxedo

I understand how you feel.

Recently the DVD drive in my PC stopped working, now it won't read DVD-RW discs. I think this happened when Windows XP updated (SP3?). I can still play DVDs and even burn DVD-Rs.. but no more DVD-RW/+RW.


Also, I have a wheel mouse that stopped working in windows, but it works fine on my peg1.

The hard drive in my peg1 died, so today I had to find another drive and I'm working on putting that in right now..

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@Tuxedo

UDMA-4 from a burner?!? That's unusual.. If I remember correctly all optical units always run @ UDMA-2=33MB/s, thus only needing a 40wire cable.
I have actually never seen a PATA optical unit that has had any different speed.
What model (name) of burners are you using?

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@Swoop

I think current Amiga OS hardware simply can't handle the higher speeds.
Think about it, 8x is about 11MB/s just writing to he disc. Then you have the handling
of the data from the HDD and to the burner program and having the rest of the OS
in the background. Not much I know but we don't have the CPU power PC's have.
You could compare it to burning @ 8x on Windows back in 1999-2000 sometime.

I'm quite sure atleast the VIA IDE will have problems on the A1's as it's quite slow..

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@Tuxedo

Quote:

Have just burned at 6x (4,3 GB in 9 about minutes)...and all seems to works correctly... Seems that setting up the burner at UDMA 3 all problems was gone... Unfortunately now I cant try on my girlfriend's PC if the DVD works as the others because the power supply of that PC was just broken(the cooling fan have stoped to work and a bad burned plastic smell was around, so I shutdown the Pc and tomorrow I'll go to buyt a new power supply...) And an 80 pin cable for my dvd so mybe I can burn much easly in UDMA4...

Ahh just saw your edit..

Strange really.. Setting a higher speed should not make it run @ a higher speed than it
supports.
Have you checked the specs on the manufacturers site? I'm quite sure they state
the correct interface speed there. It should be set to its correct speed to be sure no data
is lost.

IMO a 80wire cable is useless if you already have a 40wire available.

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@Tuxedo

Quote:

NEWS: Have just burned at 6x (4,3 GB in 9 about minutes)...and all seems to works correctly... Seems that setting up the burner at UDMA 3 all problems was gone...

I have tried 3 times to copy a DVD this afternoon, and on the two unsuccesful attempts I get a read error on the source DVD at 91%.
I have an AOpen DVD writer, which idetool says is UDMA4 (68), and a lite-on DVD-Rom which idetool says is UDMA2 (66). I followed your solution, and set the writer to UDMA3 (67) and it burned perfectly.

Even though the error message was on the source DVD, changing the writer setting cured the problem.

@Samwell

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I think current Amiga OS hardware simply can't handle the higher speeds.

Yeah, I think you're probably right about the speed/cpu power problem. At least that potentially explains why lowering the speed improves accuracy.

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@Samwell

All the two burners was UDMA4 and was an HP and a Philips...

@Swoop

Nice to help you!
Now I've buyed a 80 pin cable and now setting it on UDMA4 works well...
Unfortunately The writing speed was remained at 6x(I tryed at 12x but get only about 7770KB/sec(6x) from AmiDVD)...
And that's time I used my Philips burner not my girlfriend's HP.
I think it was a really decent speed, but hope that someone can explain we why cant get more speed...or maybe someone with An A1@AGHz tell we if he can burn at higher speeds with his CPU...
I've burned from SFS(1) partitions "on the fly" from filesystem...

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