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Posted on 18-Apr-2013 15:58:25
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From prior posts you'll see a massive amount of material through April of last year.Is it just -my- browser? Or are they all gone from the listings?


They were removed and later replaced by the same list

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And now the next circus arrives in town April 9, 2013:

Leadgate S.A. v. C=Holdings B.V.

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Silly me thinking we were at least done discussing Tulip. Leadgate S.A. was a temporary funder for Tulip according to Tulip documents. Tulip also claims they were repaid in full, which makes this lawsuit even more curious...

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Wonder if there are outstanding interest payments. They may have cleared the invested amount but there could have been interest involved and administration costs. Not unheard of because I worked for a bank in collections. People would pay off the amount borrowed in order to give some breathing space and just make smaller payments against interest. Because isn't Leadgate a private investment consortium?

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Then riddle me this...

Why are they only filing now? Surely a company with an interest would have known about this case a year ago. And, as I mentioned on a.org, why file against the plaintiff who filed against Asiarim?

If you can find any relationship between Tulip and Jan Hoogstrate, fine. But otherwise, we're talking about someone filing over an unpaid Tulip debt and against people who have nothing to do with Tulip.

Feel free to respond to what else I wrote here

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Well that is the mystery. The only thing I can think of is that the payments have defaulted in some way. But this is assuming that it is indeed interest or some other cost involvement. So long as payments have been made I would presume that the original agreement was been honoured. If defaults have happened then they would be entitled to chase payments. Regardless the length of time since the agreement was set up.

However this is presumption based on personal experience with things like this. For all we know someone within the plaintiff party might be trying to get hold of rights. And this might pose an easier route for that to happen. Who knows. But thought I would add my 2 penny's worth.

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If this helps in your thinking about chasing payments...

After we poured through hundreds of documents, we keyed in on this one line:

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the Company, SP by Design, Inc., the holders of a first right of pledge on the shares in the share capital of C= Holdings B.V. and the loans granted to Asiarim by Messrs. Ebben and Hoogstrate.


The only question was whether "right of pledge" equated to "first in line" to recover debts. When the initial suit (triggered by the licensing arm bankruptcy) got filed, by Messrs. Ebben and Hoogstrate it seemed to prove without question what we had deduced from the old Asiarim sec filings.

To be clear, I'm talking about Plaintiff C=Holdings B.V.

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Looking at that I would agree. From my perspective it would appear that SP by Design held stock that was pledged by C= Holdings against debt owed first. Now I will be honest my understanding on stocks used against debt is basic but from how I understand it if a debt defaulted they would then be entitled to sell that stock to reclaim the money owed. for that to work though the stock has to be valid. And thats as far as I know about it as that was handled by a different dept. I dealt with hard assets like money and property.

Now going back to leadgate S.A. Maybe this has something to do with the new filings. Leadgate turns in it's shares of flag carrier Pluna and leaves behind $301.5 million USD in debt.

Is this new suit a way of clawing back lost earnings. If there is debt to be recovered and this is indeed the same consortium then this can explain a lot. Again I think, looking through this, that it is highly probable more debt exists and has been defaulted.

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Finally have a document list for Leadgate S.A. v. C=Holdings B.V.

Court Documents

Pay as per usual if you want to know what's going on.

Heh. 81 page initial complaint compared to 21 for C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al. This must be a pip.

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A veritable boatload of documents have been posted since May. In fact, some of them date back before May, 2013.

Who's going to pay for this lot?

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Also updates to the Leadgate filings against the plaintiffs who filed the paperwork mentioned in the post above. [insert lol here]

Source

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Leadgate amended their complaint per the judge's order:

Source

Documents show filing date by deadline, but just added to the list on the site.
Looks like at least 90 new pages.

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Some new paperwork filed yesterday, indicating this is still ongoing.

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Big news about C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al.....

Commodore Brand Owner Gets $1M For Infringement

This might create some ripples. Stay tuned.

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Link to entire article:

http://www.law360.com/articles/496603/commodore-brand-owner-gets-1m-for-infringement

Maybe it's just my browser, but the prior link asked for a subscription to receive the entire article.

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My crappy gmail is apparently not enough to register on the site as it claims you need a professional email address.

http://www.ip-lit.com/commodore-brand-owner-gets-1m-for-infringement/

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Thank you.

Some rather humorous testimony in this one. Heh.

Methinks the judge needed a macro for "you DO realize you are under oath, right?"

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Time to dig out the old unit of "horn" which we used at the HAM radio club at the university. It's a measure of how much whiskey it takes to repair the damage done by hearing a dry joke. But I think it could apply to this judge and how he had to listen to those testimonies.

1 horn == 1 case (12 bottles) of whiskey. A more practical everyday unit is of course a millihorn, which would then be 9 ml, 20ml being a single shot as sold over the bar top in this country. I have a feeling that for me, presiding over that trial would have caused damage in the desihorn ballpark (about a liter of "uisge beatha").

Quite humorus read, though.

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From page 22

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IT IS FURTHER ORDERED THAT the parties shall submit the joint, proposed corrective statements no later than January 3, 2014


This would indicate we'll see something more in the language for the general public in the near future on the websites indicated by the judge.

However, atm, I see Asiarims former website is not allowing access, at least with my browser.

http://www.asiarim.net.

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So how did this affect the license that CUSA had? Who supplied the license for their use of the commodore banding.

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