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Poll : LimeBook PPC - Only For - Developer Evaluation - Pre Orders
I will place an pre-order 1-3 Months
I will place an pre-order 3-6 Months
I will place an pre-order 6-12 Months
When its Amiga enabled or compatible
No
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meet.mrnrg 
[Poll] LimeBook PPC - FOR AmigaOS / MorphOS / AROS Developer - Evaluation
Posted on 4-Apr-2009 17:13:30
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------- Developer Evaluation Only -------
LimeBook PPC - FOR AmigaOS / MorphOS / AROS Developer - Evaluation

USA, UK, EU, AU (AW)-- April 19, 2009
TryTerra™ Computers in partnership with Easy Pocket Money ™

Lime Book Purchase Order - Form
http://amiga.easypocketmoney.com/limebook-ppc/Lime_Book_Purchase_Order_REV1.pdf

Terms / Payment (*Conditions Apply – Maximum Subsidy $150.00)
eBay Purchase using PayPal / Credit Card
Subsidy: These require proof / accompanying documentation, and or notarization / statutory declaration.

---Fresh Out Of The Box----

---Fresh Out Of The Box----

---Fresh Out Of The Box----

NOTE: AmigaOS4.x Has Not Been Ported --- YES WE CAN, LATER!
---AmigaWorld.net - On LimeBook - PPC Mozilla Port---



---AmigaWorld.net - On LimeBook - PPC Mozilla Port---
NOTE: AmigaOS4.x Has Not Been Ported --- YES WE CAN, LATER!

Right now, I am being allowed access to a very small number of LimeBook PPC's for developer evaluation only.
------- Developer Evaluation Only -------

Please express your interest in pre-orders for this system!
NOTE: NO Amiga Apps or OS's support this platform yet!


---TBA = To Be Announced, LimeBook - Languages----
1) French
2) Spanish
3) Other

---NOW: APRIL 2009----
LimeOS X: LimeOS x.LimeOSBook.R1.1, LimeBoot: LimeBook-Z9-2.6.24.6-11 v1.3, LimeKernel: Linux-limeos-2.6.24.6, LimeGUI: LimeGUI-1.4.26-2, LimeMedia: 1.1.5
LimeFlash: LimeFlash 1.0X

Apr 17 15:21:10 host syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1:
Linux host 2.6.24.6 #753 PREEMPT Thu Apr 2 18:20:15 CST 2009 ppc GNU/Linux

Freescale CPU - Is several revisions (Minor & Sub) better than the original concept LimePC's that were displayed back in JAN 2008 @ CES Las Vegas!

---Warranty---
1 Year (Basic Manufacturer)
More Warranty Options, including extended warranty - On Request / Evaluation

---Return policy--- (See Return Policy Section - is more accurate)
* Returns accepted within: 60 Days
* Refund given as: Exchange
* Return shipping paid by: Buyer
* Additional return policy details: Item must be broken or damaged, and proven not be your fault. Limit of 1 return per-customer. Dispute resolution via PayPal will be required.


---Payment---
1) Credit Cards Accepted
2) Buyer protection on eBay available - "Pay with PayPal and the full price is covered"
See Terms

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Eligible transactions are covered
PayPal protects you when you don't receive an eBay item you've bought, or if an item you've received is significantly different than it was described.

To qualify for PayPal Buyer Protection, you must meet all of these requirements:
* Use PayPal to purchase an eligible item on eBay.
* Pay for the full amount of the item with one payment. Items purchased with
multiple payments-like a deposit followed by a final payment-are not eligible.
* Send the payment to the seller through:
o The eBay "Pay Now" button, or
o The eBay invoice, or
o The "Send Money" tab on your PayPal account overview page by selecting
"Pay for eBay Items" and entering your eBay User ID and the eBay item
number.
* Open a Dispute within 45 days of the date you sent the payment-then follow the
online dispute resolution process.
* Keep your PayPal account in good standing.






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Re: [Poll] LimeBook PPC - FOR AmigaOS / MorphOS / AROS Developer - Evaluation
Posted on 4-Apr-2009 17:28:30
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Is that your auction? Have you seen LimeBook IRL?

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Posted on 4-Apr-2009 17:28:46
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@meet.mrnrg

That's not a super bad price. I mean compared to most other 'netbooks' out there this is below the 2x as expensive mark. So compared to something like SAM motherboard (or A1 back in the day) vs most other motherboards out there SAM is well above the 2x as expensive mark.

Questions one might have is quality of the product, support, etc.

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Posted on 4-Apr-2009 17:35:44
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@opi

Q: Quote:
Is that your auction?
A: YES - It's my store / company
Q: Quote:
Have you seen LimeBook IRL?
A: YES

Short story is, I have been working on this exclusive deal / offer for our development community since the CES 2008/2009 shows - in Las Vegas that I attended.

SEE: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=27900&forum=17

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Posted on 4-Apr-2009 17:41:48
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Q: Quote:
Quality of the product?
A: Very good, and improving
It's a Freescale CPU inside after all. SSD is the best options for such as system and RAM and other parts are all industry standard and proven to work for mass production.

Q: Quote:
Quality of Support?
A: Good
1) Initially it will be backed with a solid replacement guarantee, via the eBay & PayPal dispute resolution centers ONLY! Term of this guarantee will be limited buy supply and demand.
2) Software is mainly OpenSource - so self supporting forums exist.
3) I will provide forum support and or answers to questions when appropriate.

*NOTE: I reserve the right to change the terms and conditions of sale, on a ad hoc basis. Mainly to meet long term viability goals.

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NO Amiga Apps or OS's support this platform yet!

And not a single word from Hyperion that they will

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And not a single word from Hyperion that they will
- Correct!
1) The AIM will be to create a user base of LimeBook owners, withing the Amiga User base. Reason: Much like when Sam440EP was release and I was one of many BETA testers... SEE: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=24514&forum=17
2) Then we convince AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS groups to experiment with the machines as is. This may require a BOUNTY to raise money to buy LimeBooks for these developers.
3) Then cross our fingers and pray!

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@Trixie

Another issue is the PowerVR MBX GPU, not only is it a bit old for that price (one can get an OpenPandora handheld with the later SGX for $330 USD) but it is also not natively supported at all by any AmigaOS distro we know of.

But I am still looking forward to the overall user/developer experience one gets from these LimePCs.

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not natively supported at all by any AmigaOS distro we know of.


First of all its wrong to call AmigaOS4, MorphOS or AROS distributions, they are infarct independent operating systems.

AmigaOS4 is continuation of AmigaOS3.1/3.5/3.9 based on source code they where able to get, but mostly rewritten because the source code was bad shape (68000 asm)

MorphOS is based on independent software like MUI, Cyber graphics and so on, then they filled in some of the gaps whit open source TinyGL, most have been hard work only working from 3.9 NDK header files, and OS3.9 NDK documentations.

AROS was also written from scratch, and has taken hell of long time.

It did take me about 6 mounts to get the C.W. MK 3 / 4 driver working for AmigaOS4, and I was not experienced, so I had to experiment and it was some thing I did after work, I think Hyperion can get a picasso96 driver working whit in 3 months or even less.

This most likely not the only driver they need write to get it working, but its most likely getting easier because the number of already existing drivers are increasing for every supported hardware platform.

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Posted on 4-Apr-2009 18:38:00
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The LimePC is/has been interesting, and I would *really* like to see AOS/MOS/AROS on one, but:
1. Pre-orders on ebay? I think eBay may take issue with that.
2. Pricing? LimeBook is supposed to retail at $250, but you're charging $500. WHY? It's not worth $500 with no OS of interest on it, an NC10 is far superior for a Linux netbook (or hackintosh, etc)
3. No OS of interest on them today.

I think you'd be better off getting a *clear* understanding of if this company is even capable of delivering, and in what quantities, as I got the impression they are not looking to sell into retail, only act as an OE...what would be the minimum numbers required, and CAN THEY DELIVER? If that all seems to check out, a few bounties and discussions with people from Hyperion, MOS, AROS etc, and possibly gifting a few seems like it'd do more than you trying to sell a Linux netbook on ebay for 2x the claimed retail...

??

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@meet.mrnrg: I agree with wegster, it´s too expensive, especially when it´s not sure, that AOS4.1 will run on it. Maybe you should talk with Hyperion first.

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Q: Quote:
Pre-orders on ebay?
A: No, 2 items available
Any more would require me to take pre-oders to meet bulk buy prices.

Q: Quote:
Pricing? LimeBook is supposed to retail at $250, but you're charging $500. WHY? It's not worth $500 with no OS of interest on it, an NC10 is far superior for a Linux netbook (or hackintosh, etc)
A: Interesting, but not the pricing model, I would implement. [Due to BOOM & BUST theory] Perhaps you can provide details of $250 systems? Do you know who has access to that stock? Which models / spec? How many units need to be purchased? When / Where are they available? Warranty? Support? etc..etc.. any URL's?

Q: Quote:
No OS of interest on them today.
A: Your HO noted.


NOTE: Me being honest, this is a big learning curve from me, as I haven't graduated from TrumpU yet! But last thing I want is to fade away, I want to apply strategies that will prevent failure in today's and tomorrow 2020 markets.

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No, 2 items available


Can you post some photos, videos of said devices?

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NOTE: Me being honest, this is a big learning curve from me, as I haven't graduated from TrumpU yet! But last thing I want is to fade away, I want to apply strategies that will prevent failure in today's and tomorrow 2020 markets.


What? :O

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@All
Best hope for those seeking unit prices of less than ($500) is to gather money from Amiga users willing to donate money, to you. PURPOSE: On the whim that you may one day provide more Amiga support & software even if an Amiga OS doesn't surface for this system (Configuration) in a timely fashion.

The first BOUNTY for this project should be setup something like:
Amiga OS on - LimePC Notebook Technology - Small feasibility study

I have already spent valuable time and money working on this project.

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if Amiga OS 4.1 would run, i would buy it immediately

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@All

1) Credit Cards Accepted
2) Buyer protection on eBay available - "Pay with PayPal and the full price is covered"
See Terms

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I've already got a PPC laptop, why do I need a better one?


Edited to add: Yep, it's a G4 1.33Ghz ibook.

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Really? Nice! PowePC team rocks. What's your machine specs?

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I think he referred to PowerMac/iMac. So, do you have photos to show us? Since you have two items.

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Video Link: (Other persons impressions and video footage)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG_hS6pfv2w

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