@Al4

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Al4 wrote: Porting OS4 to X86 would ...

Why porting AOS4 to x86 AROS is already there, if a x86 AOS4 would lose its 68k and PPC compatibillity you can also use AROS instead. AROS is getting better and better and in some yeasr there might be more AROS than AOS4 users.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

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Why porting AOS4 to x86 AROS is already there, if a x86 AOS4 would lose its 68k and PPC compatibillity you can also use AROS instead.

Even without 68k compatibility, OS4 & MorphOS are way ahead of AROS, in every possible way... More mature, more stable, more finished, more improvements over Os3.x have already been done, there is a 3D API, Graphics drivers,...

You couldn't use AROS instead. At least I wouldn't for sure...

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Linux has the advantage that it is free.

Sure, that's what I have been saying...

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ARM has Ubuntu and Windows CE, as well as OpenSolaris, which probably looks like linux.

A PDA = a new platform, why not have a different OS, Amiga OS4?

Xorg graphics on Linux vs Amiga OS4 graphics system.

OS4 interface is nicer than ubuntu

Maybe not the useful applications on OS4, yet. If OS4 became associated with, say, PDAs, then people would be writing the useful things.

@Varthall

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OS4 is the OS that best supports the AmigaOne motherboards.

The problem is that others can buy other motherboard which supports their OS better.

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@itix

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itix wrote: @Varthall Quote: OS4 is the OS that best supports the AmigaOne motherboards. The problem is that others can buy other motherboard which supports their OS better.

True. My point was that the "why to run an OS when a mainstream one supports it better" argument could be not applicable to a custom PPC mptherboard such as the AmigaOne, as opposite to a generic x86 board.

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@Mr_DBUG

I didin't mean to imply it would be pirated, I went off my point a bit; which was that AmigaOS4 doesn't run on every common PowerPC computer, so why assume it would run on every common x86 computer, ergo the PC?

But, I heard a rumour that OS4.1 is on a torrent, and in that case one user of the OS4.1 userbase is dishonest and a pirate.

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@Hypex

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I heard a rumour that OS4.1 is on a torrent, and in that case one user of the OS4.1 userbase is dishonest and a pirate.

Does it matter ??
It still needs to be registered on Hyperions website and I assume if it already is registered it would run into problems.
Also, it HAS to be run on an A1 or a SAM, wich are only sold complete with OS4, so anyone with hardware capable of running OS4 already owns OS4.

btw, it wasnt me....

Martin

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@Al4

ARM? Why ARM? Even 6 (!) years old G4/G5 CPUs are more than 2 times faster...
970MP is more than 4 times faster than Cortex-A8!

@pavlor
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ARM? Why ARM? Even 6 (!) years old G4/G5 CPUs are more than 2 times faster... 970MP is more than 4 times faster than Cortex-A8!

Amiga will be running on desktop (SAM) and in mini things using ARM procesors. Currently they are probably making few $ from PPC desktop.

ARM will be cheaper to the consumer.
ARM should be fast enough for watching video with Amiga or Linux
ARM will continue being worked on and get faster
ARM might succeed, on the basis of price.

Amiga against Linux.
Amiga doesn't have everything that is needed software-wise for everyone. It's got some.
Appearance wise, it will look "better" to some.
How does it compare in terms of RAM consumption to Linux/WIndows CE?

Hopefully Hyperion could make a place for itself on these devices and get much of the userbase.

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@Al4

I don´t think that Hyperion has enough resources to support more than one CPU architecture.

@Leo

i do agree with you matey

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why Linus didn't choose to release Linux on some obscure expensive, slow, not common hardware instead of x86

well let me think well i think Linus aim for cheap and powerfull HW which was x86 and due to been so small community and no money.

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Porting OS4 to X86 would NOT be that sensible

porting AmigaOS4.0 x86 is solving HW for good for all and we dont have to wait billion years so they can bring another sam if sales any good.


WE DONT HAVE MONEY & WE ARE SMALL COMMUNITY.
Please dont take as back using dead ppc HW.
SAM is so slow for todays market and its dead dead dead dead dead.

REAILTY PPC IS DEAD AND X86 IS THE MARKET..
if Hyperion Entertainment not porting amigaos 4.0 to x86 thats not because they love amiga no no sir they just there to make money not for love like we do.

PPC is dead.
if you want to buy parts for Vauxhall astra you dont go ask Ford for a vauxhall parts do you? thats no

so if we need newer parts and there is no ppc hw market to produce any parts where do we go???




Hyperion Entertainment keeps amiga in ppc market coz of there own security they dont care about the community all they care what they can get out of the community



After we good all time amigans dead there wont be no new amigans because
next generation would not go buy PPC to try amigas.

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@serk118

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porting AmigaOS4.0 x86 is solving HW for good

Did you miss my eariler post? It's not that easy. To recap, if it were so we could run OS4 on any Mac because it's a PowerPC OS, by that logic.

@serk118

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serk118 wrote: so if we need newer parts and there is no ppc hw market to produce any parts where do we go???

I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Any user servicable parts in the AmigaOne or SAM are off-the-shelf components, just like an x86 motherboard. The only difference being the CPU, but even that applies to the small form factor boards where the CPU is soldered on to reduce cost.

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Hyperion Entertainment keeps amiga in ppc market coz of there own security they dont care about the community all they care what they can get out of the community

That's right, yeah. Talking of which, I'm sure the Maserati's are due for a trade-in by now too...

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After we good all time amigans dead there wont be no new amigans because next generation would not go buy PPC to try amigas.

I'm sure "normal" consumers don't worry about what the underlying architecture is in any appliance they may be thinking of buying. AmigaOS is not sold as a PPC Operating System, but as a bundle, much like a phone, or a washing machine. Are you one of those that asks the salesman what CPU is in that Tumble Dryer, then bases the purchase upon the outcome?

The only reason it is still an issue is because of the history of the Amiga, and how it was promoted (and priced) around what CPU was in the machine. But there was never any discrimitation between hardware and software, even in those days, you bought an Amiga, that just happened to run AmigaOS.

It is only the Windows world that has forced the "upgrade or die" philosophy upon computer users, and given them the need to have ever increasing levels of computing power to keep up with the OS.

I hope that AmigaOS 4 does find a home on some kick-ass hardware at some point in the future, if for no other reason than just to say "I told you it wouldn't make any difference!" :)

Simon
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@Al4

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ARM will continue being worked on and get faster

And you think that this won't happen to PPC? What gave you that 'insight'? Please, let us ignorants be party of this! But if your knowledge is based on the omnipresent gossip, then *sigh*.

Remember, when porting to x86 shows drawbacks, the majority of those drawbacks apply equally to any other processor family!

(Not hindred by knowledge)

OldFart

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@thread

What about people to calm down and wait for that secret project to be released.

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@Tomppeli

Yes. Well said.

Steve

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@rigo

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The only reason it is still an issue is because of the history of the Amiga, and how it was promoted (and priced) around what CPU was in the machine. But there was never any discrimitation between hardware and software, even in those days, you bought an Amiga, that just happened to run AmigaOS.

I would expand this thought a bit. When you purchased an "Amiga" you purchased a complete system. Just like when you purchased an Apple or Mac, or Atari. It was a "complete system"

I might be alone on this thinking but IMHO, an Amiga was a complete system and continures to be "diminished in value" by labels and business models. One business model was to farm out the SW and HW development, aka the Escom days etc. Then we had the "Amiga" turned into a "classic", sorry I don't buy the term and never have. Thats a real Amiga not a classic anything!

The business model, plan, whatever you wish to call it is a failure. The idea of separating the AmigaOS from "custom" hardware, and using off the shelf Components has been a total mistake by Amiga Inc.

I don't wish these comments to create new , afterall the AmigaOS is still around.

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