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The x86 is based on a 70ies 8 bit architecture that was outperformed by much cheaper and more simplified CPUs like the 6502. Intel implemented some clumsy expansions to it, because they needed an interim product with 16 Bit to compete with Zilogs8000 . IBM selects this CPU, because it could be a solution for a product no one wanted to be a success. and the expansions to 32Bit where half hearted, just enough to get something like linear addressing other CPUs had since years.

It sucks so much that it outperforms anything else...

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A real wild and bad guess..

Think about it. Hyperion has contacted Natami crew (or the other way around). Natami team has actually fixed that hardware they talk about and OS4.0 is ported for Natami.. (68070)..

Who knows..

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-pekr- wrote: @Arko CherryPal is out of business, no? Well, Hyperion should port to ARM or x86 - PPC is over ...

Well, I doubt Hyperion will do x86 given their loathing for the platform, but my bet is that they are working on an ARM port. I don't know how they'd get past the licensing issues with AInc., but this is the only logical move to keep their platform alive for the mid to long term and the only thing that might breath new life into an even remotely posible commercial future for AmigaOS 4.x, that is of course other than an open source route which AROS is likely to continue to push forward for a long time to come.

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@Hondo

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Rogue it's fine you wont tell what its about, but at the very least could you tell us if it has anything to do with OS4 or the Amiga brand??

Given that Rogue just said they are focusing on OS4, therein lies the answer to your question, I'd say.

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@elatour

Hyperion does not have any "loathing" for the x86 platform which is used daily in development of AmigaOS 4.x.

We remain convinced however that the PPC architecture is the most scaleable and least power hungry on the market and that an OS which specifically targets PowerPC instead of x86 with after thought ports to other architectures represents true value.

Proof of the pudding will be in eating later this year.

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@All

From this topic in the QuickFix list, I think it has to be something rather involving:
* Fixed Sam440ep ethernet driver to work with hubs and Envoy.

A port to other architectures is fully out of the question given Hyperion's recently renewed stance on that matter. And personally I do not see any benefit in a move to an aging architecture, specifically not now Freescale seems to stir up its PPC business and POWER still being the most powerfull architecture by a wide margin and OS4 being the only PPC-specific OS around.

But then again: what do i know about this matter? And DOES it matter that I natter? Computers? Not my CoT.

OldFart

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@Hyperionmp

Well, that should put a few rumors to bed then. We've heard from Rogue that Hyperion is focused on OS4, and from HyperionMP (is that still Ben or someone else now?) that Hyperion believes strongly in PowerPC.

That means that it's very unlikely that the secret project is related to anything other than PPC OS4.

If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that it's either a port to new hardware, or some significant addition to OS4's internals... maybe they figured out a way to do full MP without breaking old programs, or made OS4 64 bit and/or multicore capable. Or maybe a combination of the above (eg a 64 bit version of OS4 running on PPC970, or a dual core version running on one of those high end SoCs)

Personally, I'd consider news that the lawsuit is finally over to be better than any technological leaps the OS4 team makes. It doesn't matter if OS4 can run on a quad-core 970 if Amiga Inc decides to stop all sales.

@OldFart

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From this topic in the QuickFix list, I think it has to be something rather involving: * Fixed Sam440ep ethernet driver to work with hubs and Envoy.

This was the one I really waited for. Excellent! (Sadly I now have some other problems with that Fix...but as I am not the only one, i suppose the team works on these ...)

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@OldFart

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OldFart wrote: @All From this topic in the QuickFix list, I think it has to be something rather involving: * Fixed Sam440ep ethernet driver to work with hubs and Envoy.

Kind of off topic, but has anyone ever seen or used Envoy? I remember seeing it advertised, but the price tag was too high, particularly considering that I consider network filesharing, etc., to be something that should be built in.

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@Hyperionmp

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Proof of the pudding will be in eating later this year.

Hopefully along with some official announcement that Amiga is now all Hyperion's and the court case can be forgotten.

Yum!

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@Hans

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...but has anyone ever seen or used Envoy?

Why would it (Envoy) get mentioned specifically when there was no noticable interest for it? That struck me. I don't know the specifics of Envoy well enough (read; not at all), to make properly funded assumptions here.

Anyways it an't take that much longer anymore; more then half the year has gone by already, so the answer to the nagging question is coming nearer by the day!

Can hardly hold my water anylonger...

OldFart

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Proof of the pudding will be in eating later this year.

How about Yogurt?

The problem with PPC is that we are limited to G4 class processors. Unless you have the money to work with [IBM or another company with POWER arch license] to build a G5 class SoC that is...

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@Hans

I use Envoy 3 for some years now for connecting my 68k systems. I think it were originally developed by Commodore - the maintainer nowadays was/is Heinz Wrobel and he did an excellent job! It works like a charm, fast, reliable, very transparent and "Amiga"-like in it's best sense.

Indeed it wasn't cheap - but i were able to purchase it through ebay for somewhat around 20 Euros...

And now my Sam talks to my OS3.9 systems - perfect.

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@OldFart

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OldFart wrote: @Hans Quote: ...but has anyone ever seen or used Envoy? Why would it (Envoy) get mentioned specifically when there was no noticable interest for it? That struck me. I don't know the specifics of Envoy well enough (read; not at all), to make properly funded assumptions here.

I was interested in Envoy, but the price tag and not having multiple Amigas meant that I never got it. The other machines that I have are/were all PCs. I always hoped that someone would extend Envoy so that it could share files with non-Amigas. Samba works, but is a real pain to set up and use. Plus Samba currently has a 2 GiB file limit.

Envoy being mentioned in the quickfix doesn't necessarily mean that it's part of whatever they're working on. It could be, but they may have fixed that bug based on a report from someone using the last available version of Envoy.

Hans

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@Rogue

Is it hardware or software related?

java?
flash?

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Hyperionmp wrote: We remain convinced however that the PPC architecture is the most scaleable and least power hungry on the market and that an OS which specifically targets PowerPC instead of x86 with after thought ports to other architectures represents true value. Proof of the pudding will be in eating later this year.

This really fits into my earlier thoughts on the QorIQ processors from Freescale.

The 2020 model (1.2 GHz dual-core, etc...) is priced out at < $100 USD here: Arrow pricing

These chips have on-board USB 2.0 and Gig ethernet.

The only downside IMO is the small number of PCI-Express lanes. However, this is addressed by the monster 8-core P4080 (rated at 30W power consumption!) which looks to be vapourware for a while yet.

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@Hyperionmp

could you give us some info about partner(s) in this great project? Are Acube, Amiga,Inc or other one involved?

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@Hondo

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Rogue it's fine you wont tell what its about, but at the very least could you tell us if it has anything to do with OS4 or the Amiga brand?? You cant treat us like this.....we hate this uncertain state of mind....been there for many many years, and are tired of it. We need just a tiny tiny bit of hope that its amiga related....so please is it OS4/amiga or something totally not OS4/amiga.??? That's the least you and hyperion could say without spilling any beans!

I have to say I do feel similarly frustrated... Whilst Hyperion have done wonders for the community over some very "stressful years"; it has been even worse for us... the one thing we all treasured (and still treasure to some degree) is our Amgia, its viability as a platform, its technology and its future...

...and again, to all intense and purposes, like Commodore, we just can't seem to get excited about anything anymore... secrecy just makes the wounds deeper...

Will I ever run the OS of my choice, as a modern, lite, scalable OS, fully supported with the latest internet technologies and running on really meaty hardware?

The long wait continues... I just rejoice at ANY news I can that diminishes M$... it is the only hope I have now... thanks to Google they really brightened up my day... and I am glad, very glad Firefox / Chrome and Safari have really began knocking the wind out of Internet Explorer... and equally happy that Ubuntu Linux (and others) continue to build momentum... these are all good signs that a "better" playing field is being formed for the future... hopefully AmigaOS will be there too, in the mix, strutting it stuff and being taken seriously by the world again...

Q!

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@elatour

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I doubt Hyperion will do x86 given their loathing for the platform

Let me tell you I actually like AMD's Ahlon64 X2 CPU's. Really do. Nice CPU. My precious...

Er... I digress.

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