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@Arko

Well, the Wii _is_ an awesome machine with awesome software. It's just awesome in a different way. Specifically, it's a machine with an awesome input device and awesome software.

Try selling the Wii with Linux, keyboard, mouse. Won't really be a big hit

ERGO, my point about software being more important at this stage stands. We NEED more software.

Specifically:

1: video encoding/mixing/editing (doesn't have to be the best, as long as it's the easiest to use for the simple things people need to do)
2: better web browser with flash and Gears (running Google Docs offline would be a very nice way to circumvent most of the need for an openoffice port, in my opinion).
3: games. If there's ONE thing the Wii has shown, is that games are important to people. And it's not always the most spectacular FPS games that win the customers hearts either.

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@OldFart

To summarise the summary of the summary: People are a problem

Or maybe "twice the features at five times the price", since you brought up HD, RR and Apple

The problem _currently_ is that we do not HAVE twice the features. Only five times the price. This has got to change. Therefore I propose that we stop bickering and work on the features that would be beneficial to us ALL, be it ARM, PPC or x86 we want for OUR hardware.

And that means software, software. Oh and I almost forgot: software. Without software you will never attract users. Without money you will never attract developers. I realise that usually a developer would go out and try to attract investors, but if you picture us as the investors, then we'll just do it the other way.

I'm not saying we're not doing it already, but it seems that lately a lot of energy is going to waste discussing something that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Investors attracting developers: Pay them, and they will come.
Developers attracting users: Code it, and they will come.

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

I want an OS4 port for the Zilog Z80!

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@olegil

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The problem _currently_ is that we do not HAVE twice the features.

Hush, hush! Don't tell anyone. They'll find out themselves one day and then we convince them that THAT is the main feature...

OldFart

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@Cool_amigaN

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Hadn't realised this thread had disappeared from the radar...

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@OldFart

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FWIW: I laughed

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

Using the Wii made me think of the Wii Remote. Which again lead me to think of Bluetooth.

Hey everyone, I'll sponsor the following list of hardware to get it supported:
Wii Remote
Wii Nunchuk
Wii Sensor Bar
KeySonic KSR-10BT USB-Bluetooth Dongle (or equivalent)
Nokia Bluetooth Handsfree BH-104 (or equivalent)

It comes to 1561 NOK (ask google how much that is in your favourite monetary unit), but it's worth it if someone gets it supported.

Conditions: All items to be returned if software has not been displayed in acceptable state after 12 months. Minimum: the remote must function as a mouse, nunchuk must function as joystick and handsfree must function as speaker and microphone (so a minimum of HSP and HID is needed, and must be possible to extend with more protocols later)

Use of CWiid library for getting the Wii parts to work once the Bluetooth support is in is strongly encouraged. I honestly expect 90% of the work lies in getting bluetooth support working, 10% porting CWiid and making the mouse/joystick drivers.

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

I still remember how Amiga user in 90s were pondering how A1200 could be sold to masses. Usually there is lot of talk in the beginning but in the end Amiga users are fighting against each other.

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@itix

So the logical thing to do is just not try? Is that what you're saying here?

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

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FWIW: I laughed

IMNSVHO, the tread evolves into sufficient reason to...

Anyway, keep on doing that! As I stated somewhere before, it is great fun here
in his thread. I'm enjoying myself tremendously.

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@olegil
>>I still remember how Amiga user in 90s were
>>pondering how A1200 could be sold to masses. ...

>So the logical thing to do is just not try? Is that
>what you're saying here?

That's exactly what Hyperion does, they do not try ...

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@brotsalami

Z80, Heh!

Wasn't that the first microprocessor with "simd" {altivec} instructions ?


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@Cool_amigaN

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@Manu

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Manu wrote: I hope all you anti PPC people would start backing Aros instead, there is absolutely no point in bringing these port OS4 to X, Y, Z every 2 weeks. Myself got tired of it too. It's not going to happen and Hyperionmp alerady told you that.

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@Tomppeli

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Tomppeli wrote: @thread I'm regretting I've ever posted anything into this thread. Now somebody's misusing my words out of context on some unmoderated c**p website. I suggest that person to remove his/her post from there.

For what its worth, I don't think a poster can edit or remove anything there.

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@Arko

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That's exactly what Hyperion does, they do not try ...

That is very easy to say when you don't have all the info.

@All
It is fascinating to me, not just on this forum, but in general, how people like to assume so much with so little information available to them.

I'm all for various opinions, and everyone can think what ever they believe is right, but to proclaim their opinion as the only possible way of correct thinking, just because, to them, their opinion seems the most logical one, even if that opinion is formed on scarce info that they have, or don't have, is just beyond me.

But it is funny, never the less.


edit: changed the word scars with scarce so that the sentence might have some meaning now.

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@Teddy

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their opinion seems the most logical one, even if that opinion is formed on scars info that they have, or don't have, is just beyond me.

A rational business viewpoint is unlikely to be seen on AmigaWorld! Hyperion have gone against all commonly held laws of business by pumping money into a product with NO CURRENT REVENUE STREAM!!! The OS development doesn't make any economic sense and I am now of the opinion we might just be flogging a dead horse!! Why the hell isn't there JIT emulation for WHDLoad and 68k stuff built into OS4.1 & Sam? This an app that is definately required! Where the hell is an Amiga custom case and software bundle - at a £500 price point? Where is OWB's Java and flash support? Without these things there is no point discussing an Amiga future!!!

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@Wol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilog_Z80

all the information you need.

It can be a CPU, it can be a soundchip, you can use it for Computers, consoles or arcade games

The Z80 is awesome...

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