@vox

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...as well as KS? Its not only gaming thing, this would make it as true Amiga succesor, as well as some older applications would be able to run

For what do i need an older kickstart? "Older" 68 applications already run on Kickstart 4.x and OS4.1. JITted. (Mostly....).

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@cha05e90

Compatibility reasons. You are aware certain applications would work better with KS 1.3/2.0/3.1 kicked to RAM. And 0,5MB isn`t that much this days. Also, any Amiga emulator or ADF game needs it ...

In long run, just having JIT and RTG wasn`t enough.
Much more OS 3.x software does not work out of box

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@number6

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number6 wrote: @JamieKrueger Quote: To answer your question my employment contract with Amiga Inc. ends on November 1st (in about two weeks).I am committed to the completion of AVD and have yet to make my decision to continue with Amiga Inc. or not after my initial contract is completed. Anything new to share on this Jamie? #6

Sorry, I can not comment on this just yet.

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@fairlanefastback

Amiga Inc. still has a few options in the trademark line.

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@Al4

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So Amiga Inc cannot call any future OS Amiga OS? Hyperion can make an OS 5.

They still have a few options. They just don't have to call it "AmigaOS".

@vox

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In long run, just having JIT and RTG wasn`t enough.

This is a typical point-of-view-thing - I'm running OS3.9/RTG-68k-Systems here since ... I don't know (OS3.1-heavy-patched and OS3.5 before). For yeeeears I never touched anything that was not able to run rtg'd in a system friendly way. I'm still in the process of migrating applications from my 68k machines to my SAM - and most apps run out of the box. (I assume a similar behaviour with MorphOS). Or vice versa: Apps that work in a RTG'd OS3.9 enviroment have a really big chance to work on PPC "Amigas" as well. So *I* don't know what *I* need OS3.1 for (or 1.3, 2.0). I left this way behind me (and, no, I don't play [old] games on Amigas - except Soliton and sometimes QII ).

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@vox

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Compatibility reasons. You are aware certain applications would work better with KS 1.3/2.0/3.1 kicked to RAM. And 0,5MB isn`t that much this days. Also, any Amiga emulator or ADF game needs it ...

I think your confusing applications whit games.

Programs that don't have bugs and does not hack hardware registers will work under AmigaOS4. Most of the programs from 1980's are simply too lame in 2009 not as useful anymore, I have tried some stuff from the fish disks on AmigaOS4, softwood database form 1980's did work for example, "last hope" worked, and some other stuff I can't remember.

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In long run, just having JIT and RTG wasn't enough.

That depends on your needs, my view is that it was more valuable in 2004, when there was no AmigaOS4 software, now days we can do almost every thing on OS4, whit the combination of old and new software.

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Much more OS 3.x software does not work out of box

Well plans changed, organically the AmigaONE's where a hardware upgrade for Amiga1200 and 4000; Amiga1200/4000 was supposed to provide the AGA chipset support.
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/prototypes/amigaone1.html

But the original hardware did not work, so it ended up in the trashcan, anyway it was a horrible idea, way not simply put AGA chips on the AmigaONE motherboard.

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good that now is more clear

But if Hyerion really win and need now not pay money to ainc for every sell OS4 is not clear.its also possible that they maybe must give more money to ainc every sell OS4 to compensete the loss ainc get by not get money every sell OS4 Hardware.

So i think if Hyperion really win, they should put it in the message, that they need not pay money for every sell OS4 now.

So all is clear

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@bernd_afa

to put it simple and clear hyperion HAVE WON. why you try to turn it into "But if Hyerion really win" is beyond me. did you miss read or havent read any of the news at aw.n et in the last month?...

@JamieKrueger

(Obviously I don't expect you to comment! )

I always found your appointment with Ainc a bit of a puzzle.

On the one hand we have a company that acts like a shell game;

Ie: ACK Hardware, No added value to AA, minimal income from mobile games.

verging on downright fraud;

Ie: Coupon scam, changing corporate vehicle to avoid liabilities, Kent Stadium.

And then they employ you.

Ie: You have a reputation for delivering, honest dealing and straight talking.

I found it all a bit of a head scratcher!

@bernd_afa

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bernd_afa wrote: good that now is more clear But if Hyerion really win and need now not pay money to ainc for every sell OS4 is not clear.its also possible that they maybe must give more money to ainc every sell OS4 to compensete the loss ainc get by not get money every sell OS4 Hardware. So i think if Hyperion really win, they should put it in the message, that they need not pay money for every sell OS4 now. So all is clear

They don't need to reveal that and may not even be allowed to depending on how the settlement was structured.

A settlement is a COMPROMISE. You can only "win" or "lose" (literally anyway) from a court judgement, which is not what occurred here.

The community, in common language terms sees what they got from this compromise (a.k.a. settlement) as a "win" because the OS is securely owned by the preferable party (to most of us AFAIK). There is nothing wrong with that.

And its true that its quite possible that Hyperion either paid a lump sum and/or has agreed to hand over a portion of every sale's profits. Amiga, Inc. has chosen it seems not to make any public announcement about that. They don't need to either.

Bottom line is that both parties are satisfied, thats the only way a settlement is reached.

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@Colin_Camper

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Colin_Camper wrote: @JamieKrueger (Obviously I don't expect you to comment! ) I always found your appointment with Ainc a bit of a puzzle. On the one hand we have a company that acts like a shell game; Ie: ACK Hardware, No added value to AA, minimal income from mobile games. verging on downright fraud; Ie: Coupon scam, changing corporate vehicle to avoid liabilities, Kent Stadium. And then they employ you. Ie: You have a reputation for delivering, honest dealing and straight talking. I found it all a bit of a head scratcher!

+1

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@fairlanefastback

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And its true that its quite possible that Hyperion either paid a lump sum and/or has agreed to hand over a portion of every sale's profits. Amiga, Inc. has chosen it seems not to make any public announcement about that. They don't need to either.

Who's to say there was even an exchange of money involved in the settlement. Didn't Hyperion bring separate cases against Amiga Inc, Amino and Itec. Maybe who ever runs the show now decided it was better to let Hyperion have Amiga OS as per the insolvency clause than to sink yet more money into potentially expensive cases, where they had much more to lose.

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@Rob

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Didn't Hyperion bring separate cases against Amiga Inc, Amino and Itec.

You basically have that backwards, if you refer to court filings.
Later though, Hyperion accused Amino of fraud and the developers filed against Hyperion in the EU.

Initially...

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Plaintiff: Amiga Inc Defendant: Hyperion VOF Counter Claimant: Hyperion VOF Counter Defendants: Amiga Inc and Itec LLC

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Plaintiff: Hyperion VOF Defendant: Amino Development Corporation

The only dismissal I am aware of is Itec vs Hyperion VOF.
The balance would have been addressed in settlement.
Resolution of the EU filing - unknown, but widely acknowledged as merely protection for the developers' works, and not a true grievance.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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way not simply put AGA chips on the AmigaONE motherboard.

Where is a hardware manufacturer going to get them?

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@billt

Where did ESCOM, and Viscorp get AGA chips?

"Inside out" and "Boxer"

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Escom probably had no problem getting production restarted in 1995.
Viscorp (and the rest) probably used the 1000s of chips that were produced
but never put on any motherboard.
Today it's probably too expensive to restart production of real AGA chips.
Doing it it the minimig way is much much cheaper.

Btw isn't the chipset still owned by Amiga Inc.?

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